How Do You Beat Calzaghe?

[marsman]

Just watch the Bernard Hopkins fight, and save the "white boy comments". 1st round knock outs and knockdowns were always great to me. Youll rock him all night. Dont worry bout cuts, he just slaps.

[egreezy]

It's debatable if Johnson has a better chin, I mean sure Joes been down but only from majorly hard shots or being caught off balance, all of which he's been up in seconds un phased carrying on in style. He also stalks probably as much as Johnson.

Who would you rather be stalked by really, lol

Can beat him, ok yes have a good shot like most boxing matches, but unlikely to beat him overall. Is that what your saying, or do you favour all of those against Joe? For starters, Pavlik, Wright, Taylor and Tarver would not be favoured against Calzaghe by the majority, certainly not now. Perhaps a number of years ago most wouldn't favour Joe. His abilities not to blame there, only awareness of it.

I favor all those guys against him. Dawson, Pavlik, Abraham, Tarver, Wright, Taylor, Jones. Pretty much every elite that has proven themselves against top competition not 43 years old or in weaker smw division.

[Kris Silver]

I favor all those guys against him. Dawson, Pavlik, Abraham, Tarver, Wright, Taylor, Jones. Pretty much every elite that has proven themselves against top competition not 43 years old or in weaker smw division.

Jesus Christ, that's what I worried was the case but assumed such lunacy did not exist.

And you are by the way, a biased and deluded lunatic if you think Abraham, Pavlik, Wright, Taylor, AND Jones should all be favored against Calzaghe in match ups.

The fact is Calzaghe's SMW and LHW #1 and is favoured against every single one of those even on these forums. I shall remember never to credit anything you say from now on as you clearly have your own agenda which defies reality...

Even Kessler whom Calzaghe beat, is favoured to be a close fight for Pavlik and polls split, slightly favoring Kessler usually. Kesslers certainly favoured against Abraham too, and close for all the others if not favourite.

By the way, if you fancy a bet on Roy beating Joe, I'm front of the long queue willing to bet and prove you cynicism ill thought out...

[egreezy]

Jesus Christ, that's what I worried was the case but assumed such lunacy did not exist.

And you are by the way, a biased and deluded lunatic if you think Abraham, Pavlik, Wright, Taylor, AND Jones should all be favored against Calzaghe in match ups.

The fact is Calzaghe's SMW and LHW #1 and is favoured against every single one of those even on these forums. I shall remember never to credit anything you say from now on as you clearly have your own agenda which defies reality...

By the way, if you fancy a bet on Roy beating Joe, I'm front of the long queue willing bet and prove you wrong...

its not as crazy as you think, I think they've fought better competition and are better tested. and its his power that bothers me against these other elite boxers is why i favor these other guys. i can have my opinion right? beating hopkins does not mean he can defeat dawson, tarver, or jones. beating kessler doesnt mean he can defeat pavlik, taylor, wright, or abraham.

[Da Hammer]

good punch speed and good footspeed so the fighter can move in and out landing shots so they can not only hurt him but frustrate him getting him out of his gameplan

[abadger]

None of the boxers I named get handled easily by Calzaghe it would be battle. Johnson punches a lot harder then Calzaghe, has better chin and is a stalker in the ring. He was able to stun Dawson which I dont see Calz doing. I Agree I give Dawson the best chance, Abraham the least. Which u think has least chance?

I don't think any of Winky, Pavlik, Abraham or Taylor have any chance of beating Joe, if I had to pick the least I might say Winky because he is too small and too old (relative to his best), but to be honest I coukld also imagine him making it a tougher fight than either Pavlik or Taylor.

[Stickman]

So, here's a question....if, when Jones and Calzaghe meet in the ring, Calzaghe administers a Kessler style clinic, or even worse, a Lacy type beatdown, what's going to be the general concensus at that point? Right now, a significant portion of this forum membership believes that Jones is not shot, that he's only a little past his prime, and that he'll handle Calzaghe with relative ease. And a largeish portion of those seem to think Jones will win by KO/TKO against someone who's caught some rockin' shots and never been seriously hurt.

So I ask...what then? Is it going to suddenly be a case where Jones turned grandpa overnight and was, after all, utterly shot? Or will Jones suddenly become overrated? It'll have to be one or the other, I'm sure, because there's very little chance those same people who are predicting an easy win for Jones are going to decide Calzaghe is more "elite" than they would've suspected.

Seriously, I'm curious what the response will be by those who are certain of a Jones win.

[Chase8400]

Yes, I agree, Roy Jones in his prime was probably the best man to beat Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe is a counterpuncher, so how somebody would come to the conclusion that a counterpuncher would beat him is a mystery? Such an opponent would have to do everything that Calzaghe can do, but do it better. Such an opponent has never been seen in boxing. Roy Jones beat James Toney, another counterpuncher, through the natural style advantage. A fast boxer will usually beat the counterpuncher because the counterpuncher must react off whatever the boxer is doing. Ask any of his opponents, by the time you figure out what Jones was doing, he had already done it!

Uhh, Calzaghe a counterpuncher? I don't think so. He always gets off first. That in itself makes him NOT a counterpuncher. Not wanting to be confrontational, but alot of the other ideas about a fast, accurate , counterpunching and fleet footed style make alot of sense to having the right recipe for beating Calzaghe. Kinda like Roy Jones if ya feel me.............

[Kris Silver]

its not as crazy as you think, I think they've fought better competition and are better tested. and its his power that bothers me against these other elite boxers is why i favor these other guys. i can have my opinion right? beating hopkins does not mean he can defeat dawson, tarver, or jones. beating kessler doesnt mean he can defeat pavlik, taylor, wright, or abraham.

How many Calzaghe fights have you seen?

He's faced some hardish hitters before, and certainly taken some big knocks before, they've not phased him. He has a very tough chin and is unlikely to be TKO'd or KO'd. He also does not have much power especially in his later years, largely due to hand injuries but generally too. This is known. He's not going to beat those guys with numerous of hard punches and a TKO or KO. To not realise these things you've exposed a real naivete and lack of knowledge for what your talking about.

Kesslers style isn't majorly different to Pavliks, infact in polls it's agreed Kessler is a better 'boxer'. When Calzaghe's face big straight punchers in the past he's handled them pretty well, so you don't seem to recognise styles of boxers either. Hopkins was a style nitemare for Joe, he'd beaten Tarver and was LHW #1, he lost. The others would lose even more easily to Joe for just some of the reasons I've mentioned, and these are usually agreed upon by the majority, for the majority of those opponents.

Sorry, but you need to go away and do your homework with some open eyes because with respect, you opinion is very naive, clearly based on little knowledge or real insight.

[abadger]

Uhh, Calzaghe a counterpuncher? I don't think so. He always gets off first. That in itself makes him NOT a counterpuncher. Not wanting to be confrontational, but alot of the other ideas about a fast, accurate , counterpunching and fleet footed style make alot of sense to having the right recipe for beating Calzaghe. Kinda like Roy Jones if ya feel me.............

Calzaghe's style is very difficult to work out, not least because he changes it to suit his opponent. I agree he is not a classical counterpuncher who stands off and waits for openings to throw single shots. He is however at his best when faced with an aggressive fighter who comes to him, in which case you might call him an "aggressive counterattacker" in that he will allow his opponent to attack, adjust his positioning and respond with a counter-flurry. Another favourite tactic of his is to throw punches that he has no intention of landing just so that his opponent will throw in return and create an opening for calzaghe to throw shots he does intend to land.

This preference for fighting opponents who come to him is why he looked bad against Hopkins, why his fight with the counterpunching Robin Reid was so slose, and why most favour him against Kelly Pavlik.