Kelly Pavlik Speaks on Possibly Fighting Joe Calzaghe

[Clegg]

I guess I fail to understand why the best player in history (Beckham by opinion) would for some reason come to the USA to play such a world renown sport such as soccer (football).

[Kris Silver]

What are you talking about?? Kessler similar to Pavlik? pshh cmon man

Kessler and Pavlik are totally different. you keep bringing up kessler as if he was some great fighter nobody could beat.

Kessler was more or less a brawler if you ask me.

Pavlik has way more skill than that overrated POS. You gusy keep underrating him seriously.

Talking with you is actually does feel like fighting with a fig rolls.

No matter what you say, I and most agree Kessler and Pavlik are vastly closer style wise, and more relevent in comparison, than Hopkins and Lacy. That is ridiculous.

You seem to massively underrate Kessler, how many fights of his have you seen?

[Stickman]

So your saying Kessler is a better fighter thank Pavlik because he is more gifted and dynamic??

Im gonna make a thread that asks this question

He's a better boxer than Pavlik, but there are alot of intangibles that have to be included in the makeup of a fighter. Tenacity, heart, will, stamina, and about a hundred others, including ring smarts, improvisional skills (Calzaghe might be best in the world here), vision (or ability to see what's coming at all times), blah, blah, blah.

No need to start a thread asking that question, anybody with any boxing knowledge can tell you the answer. Two of us have already, you just refuse to believe what you've been told.

[WifeBeaterClub]

He's a better boxer than Pavlik, but there are alot of intangibles that have to be included in the makeup of a fighter. Tenacity, heart, will, stamina, and about a hundred others, including ring smarts, improvisional skills (Calzaghe might be best in the world here), vision (or ability to see what's coming at all times), blah, blah, blah.

No need to start a thread asking that question, anybody with any boxing knowledge can tell you the answer. Two of us have already, you just refuse to believe what you've been told.

Its funny that these snaggle tooths think that that euroturd would beat Pavlik....obviously they only know about soccer

[IMDAZED]

I would hope Bob Arum isn't dumb enough to put Pavlik in with Calzaghe.

Career suicide.

[Live Dog]

Sorry, but I have to do it.

Of course it was, hatton said it himself after the fight that he " Really noticed the difference of power at 147"

Gomez was steady at Welter, he was used to taking a more powerful punch.


Gomez is a better fighter than Hatton hands down

If they both fought at Welter Hatton would get beat, Lazcano another Journeymen Hand picked by Hatton stunned Hatton and had him wobbly.

Gomez has more boxing skill than Hatton as well. Hatton is overrated and simply 1 dimensional brawler.

[Chase8400]

There lies the fundamental issue. You have one real chip in your shoulder kid, with it a blindness to the outside world.

You mention Lennox is good, how is Calzaghe being over hyped based on the records? He's not faced quite as top opposition, but he's also never lost and beaten some powerful top guys out of his prime, in the last few years. The British are behind Hatton in theyre droves whom is good, but not behind Calzaghe as much whom is better.

You like some idiots, love to claim America's best at all sports, you hilariously like to ignore a fundamental aspect of comparing, which is POPULATION ratio. That's right, it's like GDP if you will. Of course you have MORE top level athletes in the sports you choose to play in you idiot, you have more ppl. Your 1/20th of the world population. Even counting 3rd world countries and others not in a position to produce many athletes, you should have at least 1/20th of the worlds top athletes. Not counting 3rd world countries and others not able to produce athletes, is probably more like 1/18th.

You have even now, pretty much the most to invest, spend on sports, resources. Fact is other countries are more than competitive with you. Even the sports you don't recognise as much like Soccer, Rugby and more, you have many more being trained than many other countries yet you don't compete highly. So you actually with the best resources, train the most people, yet often don't produce 1/17th of the worlds top athletes in many sports. The irony is given some basic understanding of comparing such basic things, your so way of the mark your almost underlining your failing in many sports to even level, let alone beat other countries.

The UK has the p4p#3 in Calzaghe, and until recently #8 in Hatton whom is still top 20 like Haye. Calzaghes top of 2 weight divisions, unbeaten. Hatton only beaten by the p4p number one, and top of his division. David Haye is top of the Cruiser weights, a HW win and likely to climb the ranks highter than the USA there too. Enzo Mac also top 10 in CW division. Clinton Woods no. 8 in the LHW division. Carl Froch no. 6 in the SMW division, regarded by some as 2nd or 3rd only to Calzaghe or Kessler. Junior Witter no. 3, Gavin Rees no.5 in Jr WW division. Amir Khan 7th in the LW division. Nicky Cook no. 7 in the FWs.

List goe's on dude. And all are over rated? Fact is a country 1/6th the population size of the USA, the UK competes very closely with the USA. All your arrogant stuff proves is your own blissful ignorance, and bias of US fighters. abadger and others already presented facts elsewhere to expose you posts as utter rubbish, this is another. Go home you've lost.

Well not to be an ass or anything, but does that mean that China should have more top athletes considering that they have like 1/4 of the worlds population. Listen to what you are saying. Really makes you seem either uneducated or seriously oblivious to reality. Its not about population, its about history. America has more elite athletes because the people are allowed to persue what makes them happy easier and are supported in whatever they may do. I in no way am saying that we have "better" athletes, just more top tier athletes. I know there are some sportsmen in the UK that are considered to be the best in the world at what they do. Just like in the U.S.A. And to be perfectly honest, you should be proud to be in one way or another associated to the U.S.A. At one point, your great, great, great, great grandfathers or relatives have decided to group together and set forth on making a free country for their loved ones and persisted until they stepped foot on our land and called it their own. That should mean something. I for one am proud as hell of my European roots at one point and have all kinds of respect for the old country. What I am saying is that we should really embrace each other and forget about anything surrounding the revolution, because we are really brothers when you look into it deep enough.

[Stickman]

Its funny that these snaggle tooths think that that euroturd would beat Pavlik....obviously they only know about soccer

I gotta tell you, buddy, I'm not English, not from Wales, UK and neither am I a Dane.

If you'd looked to the right when you read my post, you'd have seen that I'm from Missouri (actually born in Oklahoma). The reason I think Kessler and Pavlik would be a great fight (I wouldn't pick a winner on this one, it'd be too close) is because I don't bull**** myself about any fighter, regardless of where he's from. I have my favorites, but that doesn't factor in when I'm trying to pick a winner. Pavlik happens to be one of my very favorites. He's tough, disciplined, sportsmanlike, well spoken and decent. Also very exciting to watch, and has a will of solid iron. And if it weren't for that last, he'd be simply a mediocre supermiddle.

[Stickman]

I would hope Bob Arum isn't dumb enough to put Pavlik in with Calzaghe.

Career suicide.

I disagree. It's no shame to get beaten by someone of Calzaghe's status, regardless of the points. It might be shameful if he were to get TKO'd by Calzaghe in 1 or 2, but that's about the only thing I think would be a little embarrassing, and even that wouldn't be a big deal to me....that **** happens. It's why we love the sport, you just never know.

[Chase8400]

Oh my God this is the funniest post I have ever read in the history of boxingscene. It is going in my sig.

If any Brits read this you are about to suffer badly...

I have not the slightest clue about UK football, I was simply saying that Beckham is considered to be the best player by overall concensus. I read somewhere that he has been slipping lately, but that he was truly an all time great. Kinda like Roy Jones is to boxing. Is that not fitting to say? I'm asking because I really don't know first hand. I do not play nor watch the sport.