Why do people think shavers hit so much harder than tyson?.

[GunStar]

That sounds either delicious or horrible and I don't want to find our which.

[The Noose]

One sausage is coming in your mouth!

U think if Bill Clinton shoved a cigar up that girls *****, Abraham Lincoln shoved his hat up their ass?

[eazy_mas]

When you get knocked out, you don't even know how hard the punch is!

exactly

Hard punchs cause more damage but some effective punch could drop you unconiouse.

if someone hit you one punch and you past out you cant really tell how hard is you punch but if you stood brawling and they is damage done then you know how hard the person hits.

but in case of Julian Jackson KOing Graham Graham was never the same because of the damage done from that punch.

not nesseccery mean a KO from a punch is hard puncher you could see a fight Shane Mosely vs Mauel Gomes during the 11 round Lopez endure Shane's punchs but just one punch to the chin and Gomez didnt know where he was

[MickyHatton]

I have no doubt that Shavers had the harder single punch but Tyson's punches were more effective due his speed and technique.

Shavers had something like 68 KO's on his record with around 25 of those coming in the first round, his threw looping power shots and would knock his opponents through the canvas.

They are similar in statue and weight but Tyson had far superior hand speed, technique and overall ability therefore IMO his punches may not have been as hard in overall power but they were more effective especially in the upper echelons of the division.

[MickyHatton]

Shavers destroying Norton.

[catskills23]

When Tyson slowed down to Shaver's speed in the McBride and Williams fights we saw with our own eyes just how effective he was with raw power alone.

No his punch wasn't what it has been built up to be, it just seemed that way when bolstered by his style and his other attributes. Quickness, timing, and accuracy. A heavyweight with average power would have scored major knockouts with those attributes. Tyson with his very good but not great power, and all of those assets, is a tough fight for anyone.

It's my opinion that Shavers, Baer or Foreman even at 50 would have walked through the weak chinned McBride. Tyson's power alone was very good but not great, or he would have seriously messed him up with raw power alone with the first punch he connected with.

Tyson in his prime was explosive, and a definite knockout artist but I don't think the actual force he produced is anything like what a Baer, Foreman, Shavers, etc were capable of.

tyson didnt have great power you are a moron. tysons sparring partners know all about his power . mo harris said he hit harder than lewis. timor ibragimov said nobody had tysons power other sparring partners have said he hit harder than lewis,tua bowe the whole lot . one guy said tyson hit him so hard with a body shot that it felt like tysons fist had being dislodged in his stomach . he couldnt spar for week and the pain was unbearable. Al these gus sparred with tyson late in his career when tyson had lost his speed.

[The Noose]

tyson didnt have great power you are a moron. tysons sparring partners know all about his power . mo harris said he hit harder than lewis. timor ibragimov said nobody had tysons power other sparring partners have said he hit harder than lewis,tua bowe the whole lot . one guy said tyson hit him so hard with a body shot that it felt like tysons fist had being dislodged in his stomach . he couldnt spar for week and the pain was unbearable. Al these gus sparred with tyson late in his career when tyson had lost his speed.

Firstly Kid Achilles is no moron. What he said made alot of sense.
Forget what sparring partners say, its wat we see in the ring that counts.
If Tyson had great KO power without his speed, timing etc, then he should have walked through Williams, and McBride.
Shavers never had great technique but was still KOing opponents into his 50's.

[BKM-]

Firstly, i only disagree with Achilles with one thing, Tyson did have ''great'' power, not good, but great power. Floyd Patterson had Tyson's speed and accuracy, but he didn't have his power. Many fighters have had Tyson's speed and timing, but weren't able to explosively KO people with decent chins like Iron Mike. It's one thing to have amazing speed accuracy, it's another to severely hurt people with body shots, and knock them out cold, break a jaw etc.

[Kid Achilles]

Rahman also said Toney hits harder then Holyfield, he was knocked out cold with one punch from Lewis, he took many bombs from Sanders, so there is no way in hell Sanders even comes close to Lewis.

Even though he rocked Vitali worse than Lewis did, threw punches that were visibly quicker and looked more devastating against journeyman level opponents (guys with steel chins like Cole than Lewis, and is regarded by even Lewis himself as one of the most dangerous punchers in contemporary times?

So what keeps him from being anywhere near Lewis in terms of power (and thats ALL we're talking about here), because you said so?

Sanders power belongs right up there with Lewis or anyone else in his era. A journeyman fighter Ive talked to who sparred with both said Sanders was the hardest hitter he's face in sparring, stronger than Tua. The guy was a killer puncher.

[catskills23]

Firstly Kid Achilles is no moron. What he said made alot of sense.
Forget what sparring partners say, its wat we see in the ring that counts.
If Tyson had great KO power without his speed, timing etc, then he should have walked through Williams, and McBride.
Shavers never had great technique but was still KOing opponents into his 50's.

tyson was knocking sparring partners even in his late thirties . the fact that tyson couldnt knock out willams is no great shame . foreman couldnt knock out glass chinned morrison . does that mean he has no power .Willams may have stood up to tysons punches but willams himself admitted that tyson was by far the hardest puncher he faced and that the shots he took from tyson ended his career . if tyson didnt twist his knee he would of knocked out willams. in tysons exhibition fight with the stellar chinned corrie sanders tyson knocks him down in the first round with glancing shots and lands several shots that would of put him down but tyson held him up because he wanted the fight to go the 4 rounds so the fans could get their moneys worth. sanders has a much better chin than willams or mcbride he has faced big punchers and was only floored once in his professional career.