Why do people think shavers hit so much harder than tyson?.

[catskills23]

Firstly Kid Achilles is no moron. What he said made alot of sense.
Forget what sparring partners say, its wat we see in the ring that counts.
If Tyson had great KO power without his speed, timing etc, then he should have walked through Williams, and McBride.
Shavers never had great technique but was still KOing opponents into his 50's.

Even though he rocked Vitali worse than Lewis did, threw punches that were visibly quicker and looked more devastating against journeyman level opponents (guys with steel chins like Cole than Lewis, and is regarded by even Lewis himself as one of the most dangerous punchers in contemporary times?

So what keeps him from being anywhere near Lewis in terms of power (and thats ALL we're talking about here), because you said so?


Sanders power belongs right up there with Lewis or anyone else in his era. A journeyman fighter Ive talked to who sparred with both said Sanders was the hardest hitter he's face in sparring, stronger than Tua. The guy was a killer puncher.

just for the record rahman has being quoted as saying lewis was the hardest puncher he faced not sanders.

[The Noose]

tyson was knocking sparring partners even in his late thirties . the fact that tyson couldnt knock out willams is no great shame . foreman couldnt knock out glass chinned morrison . does that mean he has no power .Willams may have stood up to tysons punches but willams himself admitted that tyson was by far the hardest puncher he faced and that the shots he took from tyson ended his career . if tyson didnt twist his knee he would of knocked out willams. in tysons exhibition fight with the stellar chinned corrie sanders tyson knocks him down in the first round with glancing shots and lands several shots that would of put him down but tyson held him up because he wanted the fight to go the 4 rounds so the fans could get their moneys worth. sanders has a much better chin than willams or mcbride he has faced big punchers and was only floored once in his professional career.

Tyson tried to KO Sanders in the last round of their fight, but couldnt.
As for Williams,, after Tyson he fought Skelton twice, then was eventually KO'd by Harrison. But never had a world class chin.
Tyson hit him with some good shot, but couldnt put him away.

IMO, as ive already said. Tysons power came from his technique, and without that, he wasnt devastating. Still a KO fighter, but not as devastating as he was.
People like Shavers and Foreman were just freaky punchers.

[catskills23]

When Tyson slowed down to Shaver's speed in the McBride and Williams fights we saw with our own eyes just how effective he was with raw power alone.

No his punch wasn't what it has been built up to be, it just seemed that way when bolstered by his style and his other attributes. Quickness, timing, and accuracy. A heavyweight with average power would have scored major knockouts with those attributes. Tyson with his very good but not great power, and all of those assets, is a tough fight for anyone.

It's my opinion that Shavers, Baer or Foreman even at 50 would have walked through the weak chinned McBride. Tyson's power alone was very good but not great, or he would have seriously messed him up with raw power alone with the first punch he connected with.

Tyson in his prime was explosive, and a definite knockout artist but I don't think the actual force he produced is anything like what a Baer, Foreman, Shavers, etc were capable of.

Tyson tried to KO Sanders in the last round of their fight, but couldnt.
As for Williams,, after Tyson he fought Skelton twice, then was eventually KO'd by Harrison. But never had a world class chin.
Tyson hit him with some good shot, but couldnt put him away.

IMO, as ive already said. Tysons power came from his technique, and without that, he wasnt devastating. Still a KO fighter, but not as devastating as he was.
People like Shavers and Foreman were just freaky punchers.

you obviously didnt see the fight . because if you did you would have seen tyson hold on to sanders to stop him from falling to the canvas after he landed a vicious right hand. this happened several times in the exhibition. . the commentators even said this.

[The Noose]

you obviously didnt see the fight . because if you did you would have seen tyson hold on to sanders to stop him from falling to the canvas after he landed a vicious right hand. this happened several times in the exhibition. . the commentators even said this.

Dont be saying stuff like "U obviously didnt see the fight", it sounds childish.
Im not arguing about Tyson holding Sanders up, all i said, if u read it again, was that Tyson was trying to KO Sanders in the final round, and couldnt.

Of course its just my opinion.

And in fact has nothing to do with whether Shavers hit as hard as Tyson.

[beez721]

When Tyson slowed down to Shaver's speed in the McBride and Williams fights we saw with our own eyes just how effective he was with raw power alone.

No his punch wasn't what it has been built up to be, it just seemed that way when bolstered by his style and his other attributes. Quickness, timing, and accuracy. A heavyweight with average power would have scored major knockouts with those attributes. Tyson with his very good but not great power, and all of those assets, is a tough fight for anyone.

It's my opinion that Shavers, Baer or Foreman even at 50 would have walked through the weak chinned McBride. Tyson's power alone was very good but not great, or he would have seriously messed him up with raw power alone with the first punch he connected with.

Tyson in his prime was explosive, and a definite knockout artist but I don't think the actual force he produced is anything like what a Baer, Foreman, Shavers, etc were capable of.

I agree completely. good post

[Mr. Ryan]

Larry Holmes said that Shavers hit much harder than Tyson. Shavers wasn't a coordinated boxer, however, and thusly wasn't as effective a finisher.

[beez721]

Rahman also said Toney hits harder then Holyfield, he was knocked out cold with one punch from Lewis, he took many bombs from Sanders, so there is no way in hell Sanders even comes close to Lewis.

wrong,,,,,,sanders dropped and hurt rahman when he landed clean which wasnt very often whereas lewis hit him often in the first fight and never dropped him. the 2nd fight he nailed him with a wicked right hand that landed flush with rahmans chin in the air as he was flinching from the left hand of lewis. sanders is a better knockout puncher than lewis but not half the overall fighter that lewis was in my opinion

[beez721]

tyson didnt have great power you are a moron. tysons sparring partners know all about his power . mo harris said he hit harder than lewis. timor ibragimov said nobody had tysons power other sparring partners have said he hit harder than lewis,tua bowe the whole lot . one guy said tyson hit him so hard with a body shot that it felt like tysons fist had being dislodged in his stomach . he couldnt spar for week and the pain was unbearable. Al these gus sparred with tyson late in his career when tyson had lost his speed.

you continue to make things up in every post. get over it already

[Mr. Ryan]

wrong,,,,,,sanders dropped and hurt rahman when he landed clean which wasnt very often whereas lewis hit him often in the first fight and never dropped him. the 2nd fight he nailed him with a wicked right hand that landed flush with rahmans chin in the air as he was flinching from the left hand of lewis. sanders is a better knockout puncher than lewis but not half the overall fighter that lewis was in my opinion

Sanders is overrated based on what he did with Wladimir. Honestly, if Eliseo Castillo had any fortitude he could've done the same.

Lennox Lewis KO'ed Mike Tyson, Rahman, and many others with wicked right hands and better arsenal. The difference between a complete fighter and a one hit wonder is the ability to switch up the attack. Lewis knew when to throw at a target, and when to throw through one.

[beez721]

tyson was knocking sparring partners even in his late thirties . the fact that tyson couldnt knock out willams is no great shame . foreman couldnt knock out glass chinned morrison . does that mean he has no power .Willams may have stood up to tysons punches but willams himself admitted that tyson was by far the hardest puncher he faced and that the shots he took from tyson ended his career . if tyson didnt twist his knee he would of knocked out willams. in tysons exhibition fight with the stellar chinned corrie sanders tyson knocks him down in the first round with glancing shots and lands several shots that would of put him down but tyson held him up because he wanted the fight to go the 4 rounds so the fans could get their moneys worth. sanders has a much better chin than willams or mcbride he has faced big punchers and was only floored once in his professional career.

lol,,youre so full of it. corey sanders did not have a good chin! he was knocked out in 2 by micheal grant and flattened by davarrol williamson and quit making things up about what fighters said about tyson. they didnt say such things. go show us some links with these so called comments on tyson