Who was more overrated; Mayweather, Jack Johnson or Ali?

[QueensburyRules]

Wilt walked away from the closest they got to signing. Wilt said so himself. Only an ignoramus would believe a basketball player with no background in boxing would beat any top heavyweight. Name another athlete from a different sport with no fight background that beat a fighter of Ali’s caliber.

- -U fiction dumber than the truth.

1967 ABC VIDEO don't lie. U boy refused to sign the contract Cosell designed his whole taping around.

Let me remind U minder to drill into U- Wilt and Cus weren't training to beat any other fighter than Ali who weren't the brightest bulb in the studio on Ali's infamous day.

If Ali thinks he beats Wilt, than he don't act like a coward and signs the lucrative contract...Duh!!!

[HOUDINI563]

The video shows Wilt just standing their as Ali mocks him. He also shows how easily he would hit Wilt with right hands. In fact every punch Ali throws he would land.

You know, your insistence that a basketball player would even be competitive vs an ATG pro boxer shows me you are not worth debating concerning any boxing related subject. Wilt would be very lucky to not get koed by Chuck Wepner.

[QueensburyRules]

The video shows Wilt just standing their as Ali mocks him. He also shows how easily he would hit Wilt with right hands. In fact every punch Ali throws he would land.

You know, your insistence that a basketball player would even be competitive vs an ATG pro boxer shows me you are not worth debating concerning any boxing related subject. Wilt would be very lucky to not get koed by Chuck Wepner.

- -Ali looked like U washerwoman in exhibitions with non boxers.

See Inoki where he was in critical condition for a couple days, Gorilla Monsoon who toyed with him for a minute after Ali jumped in the ring before hoisting him 7' for a body slam where Ali managed to collect himself to jump outta the ring.

And then the unnecessary beating by Alzado added on to a rap sheet of beatings he took.

U limiting Wilt to being an ordinary basketball player a reflection of U ignorance, near as Dum as I've seen over the years.

Shaddup and folks think higher of U.

[Dynamite76]

Definitely Mayweather, but his actions made him more money in the pocket.

[them_apples]

Mayweather, though, an excellent pure boxer is one of the most overrated ever through fighting no one when they were at their best. He's got a legacy halfwits believe in, but he himself knows better, and it kills him. He sees how he is regarded by knowledgeable fans, and it ain't good.

Mayweather is supremely overated because his achievements were mostly accomplished through business maneuvers. Very very low risk career, heavy emphasis on Marketing (did his oponents even want to beat him? Mayweathers 0 brought in the dough, the best thing you could do was lose a close fight a secure a rematch).

A huge blurb about beating the most world champions, in an era with dozens more weight classes and 4 champions per class, it's a hell of a lot easier to stack up numbers.

Once Mayweather became the "cash cow" he simply never went into a fight with any possibility of losing. By making his own promotion company he further pulled more strings.

Back in the day, promoters made all the money, fighters fought. It was more like the UFC, since everyone was in a way forced to fight eachother, they did tend to lose more - but the excitement of the best fighting the best made up for it.

From a life perspective and career perspective Mayweather played his cards extremely well. He's rich and in good health. He probably grew up seeing so many busted up broke old fighters and decided to go in a different direction.

Mayweather is certainly a great fighter, but overated is the word we are using. No way in hell he has accomplished close to what Ali did. Mayweather never defied the odds.

[them_apples]

Do you honestly feel weight played any factor at all in the JMM fight? Try to be objective when you answer. I know how you feel about black people.

Floyd didn't lean on him or muscle him around or take flush punches that he just walked through because of size...it was all skill and he barely got hit at all.

Marquez never failed a commission drug test just like Pacquiao never did. Either you give both the benefit of the doubt or you consider both of their accomplishments suspect.

Floyd fought a young, strong Canelo at the time the fight was available. I'm sure some would prefer that he fight the current Canelo but lets be fair. Floyd is 43.

Styles do make fights. Marquez fought Pacquiao 4 times Mayweather fought him once. If you remember the first PAC vs Marquez fight it almost ended in 1 round. If Mayweather fought Marquez 4 times and Marquez adjusted to the weight I'm sure some of those fights would play out a lot different. Kind of like how PAC sparked Hatton easily and beat the **** out of De La Hoya, circumstances and styles matter.

The Marquez vs Mayweather fight is one of the dumbest cross comparisons to have ever been used. Mayweather made Marquez jump 2 weight classes in a few months, didn't even make weight himself. And people forget Marquez was actually at 130 only a little while earlier. The whole temperature that fight was "why is this fight happening". Marquez looking fat and slow, plodding around but his heart carried him.

[ShoulderRoll]

Styles do make fights. Marquez fought Pacquiao 4 times Mayweather fought him once. If you remember the first PAC vs Marquez fight it almost ended in 1 round. If Mayweather fought Marquez 4 times and Marquez adjusted to the weight I'm sure some of those fights would play out a lot different. Kind of like how PAC sparked Hatton easily and beat the **** out of De La Hoya, circumstances and styles matter.

The Marquez vs Mayweather fight is one of the dumbest cross comparisons to have ever been used. Mayweather made Marquez jump 2 weight classes in a few months, didn't even make weight himself. And people forget Marquez was actually at 130 only a little while earlier. The whole temperature that fight was "why is this fight happening". Marquez looking fat and slow, plodding around but his heart carried him.

What effect did weight have on how the Mayweather-Marquez fight played out? Can you give specific examples?

[QueensburyRules]

What effect did weight have on how the Mayweather-Marquez fight played out? Can you give specific examples?

- -JoyBoy didn't make weight.

Why U so stoopid in public? Masochism?

[GhostofDempsey]

Styles do make fights. Marquez fought Pacquiao 4 times Mayweather fought him once. If you remember the first PAC vs Marquez fight it almost ended in 1 round. If Mayweather fought Marquez 4 times and Marquez adjusted to the weight I'm sure some of those fights would play out a lot different. Kind of like how PAC sparked Hatton easily and beat the **** out of De La Hoya, circumstances and styles matter.

The Marquez vs Mayweather fight is one of the dumbest cross comparisons to have ever been used. Mayweather made Marquez jump 2 weight classes in a few months, didn't even make weight himself. And people forget Marquez was actually at 130 only a little while earlier. The whole temperature that fight was "why is this fight happening". Marquez looking fat and slow, plodding around but his heart carried him.

The first Pac/JMM fight should have been a win for Pac, but judge Clements scored the fight incorrectly. Failed to score the third knockdown for Pac, thus the fight ended in a draw.

[Marchegiano]

I am going to go with Ali but I do not mean it to be critical of Ali.

Of them I like Ali the most, but, also, that mystique of his, ain't no one can live up to that ****. Ali is human after all and that's why he's way overrated. People, not really boxing fans, not even really casuals, just people, talk about Ali like he's never made a mistake in the ring and only lost because he got old and Parky. Which just isn't true. He's a human, he had some flaws, he got put on his ass just like everyone else. Maybe the greatest, but even the greatest is not beyond flaws.

I was born in the 80s. Ali was all history and legends to me. Just did not live up.

legends.