Would Marciano be too small for today's heavyweight division ?

[Dr. Z]

Had he beaten Hasim, sure. I remember to, but he was hardly legendary. Saying g Lewis ducked him is exaggerating more than generously though. There was no time frame where Lennox could have ducked him.

It's been years since I watched the Sanders-Rahman fight. Good slugfest. I'll check it again soon.

Sanders was a good man and exceptional athlete. I may not hold his career to an elite level, but I certainly respected the man.

Well he was better than many opponents who Lewis gave title shots to. Like I said Sanders would have been an acceptable title opponent. Much better than some of the guys Lewis fought dining his title run. Too bad Lennox didn't fight him. But then again he said he is awful vs. Southpaw. He only fought one and looked lousy taking him the distance. Dropped a belt to avid Byrd, didn't face Sanders or Moorer. The three fights were the best southpaw fighters when he was active. Hmmm...I shall think about the reasons why he didn't fight them. Not that Lewis was a bad champion.. I rank him third overall! Respect his game I do.

You're all right Jab.

[Ivich]

Bottom line

Wlad made defences against five, unranked by the Ring ,opponents.

PLUS ONE WACH
= 6!
FACT

In his career Joe Louis beat;
5 no 1 contenders
5 number 2 contenders
2 number 3 contenders
1 number 4 contender
2 number 5 contenders
2 number 7 contenders
2 number 8 contenders
2 number 9 contenders
=21 Ring ranked top ten men
World champions

6 heavyweight
2 Light Heavyweight

Wlad in his career beat Ring ranked

1 number 1 contender
2 number 2 contenders
1 number 3 ranked contender
1 number 4 ranked contender
1 number 5 ranked contender
1 number 6 ranked contender
1 number 7 ranked contender
1 number 9 ranked contender
= 9
Lewis in his career beat;Ring ranked
2 number 1 contenders
3 number 2 contenders
1 number 3 contender
1number 4 contender
3 number 5 contenders
2 number 7 contenders
1 number 9 contender

=13
+2 reigning champions
DR Zero has a virus

" some of the guys Lewis fought dining his title run"

" Dropped a belt to avid Byrd,"

"he best of the sick and homeless once"

Must be a spelling virus?

[QueensburyRules]

It was for Wlads lightly regarded WBO title. Lewis held all the other belts and lineal title if I'm not mistaken

It's not the fight happening I question, but why a rematch never happened. Sanders wondered this in an interview as well. When Byrd tried to make a rematch with Vits they pushed Wlad on him. The same probably happened with Sanders though the vacant W C title was available when he fought Vits.

I just don't get why two exceptional fighters would let rematches that were able to be made, just go to the other brother. The only thing that makes sense is they were playing on each other's strengths.

- - Byrd ended up in an onerous poverty contract with DKing. Ks weren't fighting DKing fighters after the Brewster drugging.

When Byrd ran out his King contract, he defended vs Wlad who made him more $ for that fight than the entirety of his King career.

Already been accepted on the that U simply timeline tardy.

[JAB5239]

Well he was better than many opponents who Lewis gave title shots to. Like I said Sanders would have been an acceptable title opponent. Much better than some of the guys Lewis fought dining his title run. Too bad Lennox didn't fight him. But then again he said he is awful vs. Southpaw. He only fought one and looked lousy taking him the distance. Dropped a belt to avid Byrd, didn't face Sanders or Moorer. The three fights were the best southpaw fighters when he was active. Hmmm...I shall think about the reasons why he didn't fight them. Not that Lewis was a bad champion.. I rank him third overall! Respect his game I do.

You're all right Jab.

I got no problem with you either. You have to be a real d1ck and troll for me to have a problem with someone. I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions, and truth be told I learn a lot more by reading posts from others and investigating the source of it.

Anyway.....I don't think Moorer was ever on the radar because of his losses and when they coincided. Personally I think Lewis would knock him out early. Sanders we've already talked about. Byrd is tricky. He could obviously give the big guys trouble. But Lewis was a better boxer than Vitaly. Why it didn't get made, from what i recall is lack of interest. Should it have been made anyway? I think every champion should fight the number one contender. That it didn't happen doesn't hurt his legacy as much as Vits not rematching Byrd, but it should have happened anyway. That's just how I feel. If it were up to me the best would always fight the best available fights.

[JAB5239]

- - Byrd ended up in an onerous poverty contract with DKing. Ks weren't fighting DKing fighters after the Brewster drugging.

When Byrd ran out his King contract, he defended vs Wlad who made him more $ for that fight than the entirety of his King career.

Already been accepted on the that U simply timeline tardy.

Doesn't explain why Vits didn't rematch him. Also doesn't explain why it was OK for Wlad to fight Byrd but not Vitty.

And there was no "drugging" in the Brewster fight. This has already been proven to you.

[QueensburyRules]

Doesn't explain why Vits didn't rematch him. Also doesn't explain why it was OK for Wlad to fight Byrd but not Vitty.

And there was no "drugging" in the Brewster fight. This has already been proven to you.

- - Thought it obvious Byrd still held his IBF, and Vit prob retired during that 4 yr hiatus.

These guys are prize fighters and pay attention to the best prizes available and less to who some unknown fan wants them to fight.

[JAB5239]

- - Thought it obvious Byrd still held his IBF, and Vit prob retired during that 4 yr hiatus.

These guys are prize fighters and pay attention to the best prizes available and less to who some unknown fan wants them to fight.

So you're saying they would deal with King to get a title, but not get back a title lost. That is just a brilliant deduction!!! You gotta be the biggest tool on here.

[Willie Pep 229]

So you're saying they would deal with King to get a title, but not get back a title lost. That is just a brilliant deduction!!! You gotta be the biggest tool on here.

No wait there is some logic go what Queenie argues.

I don't believe it to be a good reason for Vitali not to take the rematch; I certainly see the duplicity to the Bothers actions.

But in the abstract I can see why a fighter WOULD reluctantly take on a Don King fighter if a title could be GAINED, but once in the title position decide NOT to fight any King fighter when you could avoid it. That makes sense to me.

But again I don't think that was the issue - I think the Brothers K were tag-teaming and were, in that, sense cherry-picking.

[JAB5239]

No wait there is some logic go what Queenie argues.

I don't believe it to be a good reason for Vitali not to take the rematch; I certainly see the duplicity to the Bothers actions.

But in the abstract I can see why a fighter WOULD reluctantly take on a Don King fighter if a title could be GAINED, but once in the title position decide NOT to fight any King fighter when you could avoid it. That makes sense to me.

But again I don't think that was the issue - I think the Brothers K were tag-teaming and were, in that, sense cherry-picking.

King was a snake and the Klits avoided him when they could. But saying Vits didn't rematch Byrd because of king is a ****** thing to say when Wlad fought him instead. This after Vits made the claim he would get his title back after quitting against Byrd.

[QueensburyRules]

So you're saying they would deal with King to get a title, but not get back a title lost. That is just a brilliant deduction!!! You gotta be the biggest tool on here.

- - I stated when Byrd ran out his King contract, Wlad gave him a record payday to lift his IBF.

I stated it easily found in this thread. Does U now understand U limitations, or U just the puppy perpetually getting his nose rubbed in it wanting more forever until he gets carted off to the dog shelter?