who could stop tyson back in the day?

[butterfly1964]

This thread is going on too long.

[MrSinister]

probably cause lewis had the weaker chin.

anyway saying frazier had a 10% chance off beating frazier is probably the dumbest hting ive heard this month

To beat Tyson a fighter needs to avoid the uppercuts inside. Frazier would run right into it.

[MrSinister]

Foreman was not slow. Foreman in his prime was quicker than some of those big heavyweights Tyson fought who were able to hit him.

What big heavys hit Tyson with solid clean shots in his prime? Berbick? Ferguson?Bonecrusher (exept for the last punch)?

[Abe Attell]

exactly. people often see the plodding gaint sized Foreman of the 90's.

that's what I am talking about...Foreman wasn't slow in his prime, it was just that he pulled back so far, you saw his punches coming. It was the wide hooks from South America that made him appear slower than he was. Also, the Old Man Foreman was the one that was slow.

But, look at some of his fights, especially the Olympic Gold medal fight: he may have been wild in that fight, but look at the punches he threw in a straight line, like the jab and the right cross, they had enough speed on them (plus the power), that it prevented the big, experienced Russian from being able to stop George.

If he was so slow, how come fighters weren't able to punch back and capatilize more often?

Chuvalo was getting beaten to a pulp because he was having trouble fighting back

[Verstyle]

This thread is going on too long.

shut up butterfly

[leff]

To beat Tyson a fighter needs to avoid the uppercuts inside. Frazier would run right into it.

for tyson to win he needs an opponent who is scared off him and wont fight back, so frazier will be a problem.

and by your on logic will tyson run in fraziers punches

[LondonRingRules]

for tyson to win he needs an opponent who is scared off him and wont fight back...

** Scared off him, eh? You think that up yourself or just typo some typical trite thoughtlessness?

[leff]

** Scared off him, eh? You think that up yourself or just typo some typical trite thoughtlessness?

COME AGAIN

[MetalVomit]

any boxer taller than Tyson, with a decent chin and good jab that wasnt intimidated could stop Tyson back in the day. How many of them were there back in the day? Few.

[Abe Attell]

any boxer taller than Tyson, with a decent chin and good jab that wasnt intimidated could stop Tyson back in the day. How many of them were there back in the day? Few.

You seriously need to watch fights instead of being a parrot.


Who wasn't taller than Tyson?

It amazes me that people act like Tyson was Godzilla, but unlike Godzilla, Tyson was looking up, not down to his opponents, at least physically.

If people were sacred of Tyson it was because of his skills and style were superior to theirs and they knew it...when you go up against something you don't have an answer for, it can and most likely will lead to fear.

Steve Lott said this about Tyson: {pardon if it is not exactly the same words, but close enough}
D'amato created a style for Mike in which the objective was to make the opponent throw a punch (jab), make him miss, then respond with your own punch (which would land)...Mike then would repeat the process with the opponent throwing a jab, missing, and Mike throwing back and landing...after a couple of times of his opponent missing and being hit back, he would start to question himself, he would start to get confused, and start to get fustrated...the longer it went, the more the fighter would break down and feel he couldn't win.
The fact is, Tyson needed his opponent to fight...he needed his opponent to throw, in order for him to impose his will on you...when the fighter didn't fight back, Tyson's fights were boring...It wasn't until Tyson left Rooney that his skills went to ****, he didn't train, and people saw they could take advantage.



Even Berbick, though scared, charged at Mike in the opening round, but once he got tagged and stunned, he went into a defense mode which is very common.

Razor Ruddock wasn't scared of Mike either.

The problem with both arguing for him and against him is that Mike burnt out quickly...It wasn't from tough fights either, it was all mental, and it was the result of deaths and exiling the only trainer left that was right for him, Kevin Rooney.

So, Tyson will always be a more of a "What if", but only for the sake of arguing his greatness, or once potential greatness... but there is still enough evidence to support his talent, which in fact led him to become a Champion at 20 years old.