For those of you who put think Marciano is overrated

[Hous]

Ali was physically taking a beating that fight and didn't want to continue with the exhibition. Ali demanded a addition 2 thousand dollars after being floored by a body shoot. The shoot was 100% legal as the rules were punches to the face were to be pulled and body shoots were to be carried out. These rules helped Ali out more than Marciano...

Said Dundee of the affair: "Muhammad acquired a lot of respect for Rocky. He said Rocky was a lot harder to hit with a jab than he looked."
Stories came out of the sessions. Several claimed Rocky really hurt Ali with body shots, so that Muhammad climbed out of the ring and demanded extra money to continue. He was payed additional money. (Woroner himself said Ali took such a battering that he refused to continue until he was guaranteed an additional two thousand dollars.) I've talked to the son of one observer who says Rocky doubled Ali up with a body shot after Ali kept jabbing the wig off Rocky's head. Dundee admitted to the wig episode, but never told of the hard body shot that it led to. Ferdie Pacheco, however, the ring doctor in the film, claims Ali was dropped by a real body shot. The undeniable fact is, Rocky entered the ring ready to make a real fight of it if need be. Even Dundee said he had to be calmed down after the wig incident.

Unless Ali had tremendous KO power to KO a walking tank, I don't see how he could have won...

[rocco1252]

What a funny moron this guy is who made this post up.You clowns will stop at nothing to try to prove Marciano was more than a pile of horse crap.
Even if Marciano would of fought a prime Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles he would still be fighting natural middleweights who both were knocked out several times by guys who were middleweights.And even if you want to pretend there were in their primes the point is Marciano still stuggled with guys who were smaller than here was.
Charles wasn't a ****er even at 160 pounds and you would assume since Moore has the most knock outs in boxing history that it ment he was a huge puncher.When in reality the man just fought alot of stiffs in his career.He had too.Fighters didnt make the kind of money they do now days where they can fight 1 time a year.
Wow you read in a book from a racist white writer that since Marciano trained hard that means he couldn't lose right?Ali,Foreman,Frazier,Tyson,Lewis,both Klitchko's,Tua,Ibeabuchi,Peter,Bowe,Holyfield, and the list goes on would of never lost if they avoided fighting good opponents or could of fought the hyped up trash Marciano fought.Marciano had a strong desire to win?Awww so i guess Frazier wan't Foreman to kick his butt right?Because Fraizer has no desire to win...now did Foreman,Ali ect ect ect.They all wanted to lose.Only Marciano had a disire to win right?
What ****ing Marciano threw 100 punches around?Lol give ma ****ing break.Number one ******s Marciano only weighed 180 pounds you racist ****s.So even if he threw 100 punches per round what would that prove?Why compare a light heavyweights punch numbers too a true heavyweight.Only a sick minded racist like you people would even try to compare.
Marciano could of trained every second of his miserable life.He was still slow,unskilled and weak.Look at Tye Fields Ko percentage against bums.Based on what you fools think that must mean Tye Fields is the hardest puncher in boxing history.Marciano chin was weak at best.Can you imagine any guy 20 pounds smaller than lets say Foreman or Tyson knocking them down with one shot?Could you imagine a guy in their 40's busting up Tyson or Foreman or Lewis or any one of the true great heavyweights?Well yet Marciano was floored with one shot by the 40 plus year old Moore.
One would think since Marciano was a light heavyweight that he would at least have faster hands than the true heavyweights right?But Maricano had the slowest hands i ever seen on a boxer.Completely unskilled yet i see tons of you little racist white guys come to this forum and talk about how unskilled Foreman was.Foreman had a jab which was quick.His right hand was quick.He was great at cutting the ring off.The only punches Foreman threw that was slow was his hook but every man i seen 6'4 or taller had a slow hook.Look at Lewis and how he threw his hook.Infact it was just as slow as Foremans and is why he didnt use it much.
Marciano could train 1000 years but Ali would still crush him.If Marciano struggles with Charles who was a good boxer but was smaller weaker slower and less powerful than Ali then why would you think he would do better against the master Ali?If Moore and Walcott would knock down Marciano then the Tysons and Foremans of the world would of killed him
Marciano is still the most overrated athelete in sports history.You can come up with your little theories or go on and on about how you read in a book that was written by a racist white author about how great Marciano but he still isn't.Marciano isn't a heavyweight period so he isn't a top heavyweight great infact Marciano isn't even good for a 180 pound fighter.Just a waste of breate..a hyped up white fighter who will never die as long as we have so many racist whites like you people.

Weak? Are you out of your mind? Read everything all fighters said about Marciano and how he broke bones in peoples arms, face and stomach, and how there whole body's went numb when they got hit by him. He had no skill your right but who needs skill when your in the guys chest pounding away and winning every time? Thats just what he would have done against Ali as did Frazier accept he was far tougher than Frazier and more devistating in the long run. And watch the Moore fight, Marciano was up at 4 he was off balance after throwing a right hand had one foot on the ground and got hit, thats why he went down chin had nothing to do with that knock down. Watch the Walcott fight he got hit off balance again by a perfect shot that would have knocked most anyone out of any era and he was up at 3, smacking his gloves together only to go back to his relentless attack. Rocky was asked if he was ever hurt by the shots that knocked him down and his response was no. And never once did I specify that Ali, Foreman, and Frazier didnt have the will to win or want to win, your barking up the wrong tree kid. Furthermore, I'm not racist actually far from it. I base my judgement on facts and what I have came to see and hear and read through multiple sources.

[rocco1252]

Some of you need a little more education about Marciano.

Marciano's strengths were due to the exceedingly rare combination of an incredible chin and great punching power, not to mention his endurance and tenacity were even greater than Frazier's and I love Joe Frazier. They both had the maximum heart of any fighter.
Marciano definitely had a better chin than Frazier, and Marciano could take guys out with the left or the right. Frazier's had a great left, but almost no right at all.

Marciano was a freak of nature, a once in a century kind of fighter that would eventually test your body and your chin.
Okay, the slickest boxers were a challenge to Rocky, well, well, well, uh, they are a challenge for every fighter, just look at Tyson's struggle against journeyman James Quick Tillis. Look at Ali against a powder puff Jimmy Young.

If you think Ali would not have trouble with Marciano, just watch Ali backing up and still get tagged against a slow George Chuvalo (Chuvalo also had a great chin, but Marciano was quicker and punched much harder and much more often than George Chuvalo)
Chuvalo was able to hit Ali with a bunch of solid punches in that fight and so would Rocky, and the Rock could really punch.

Marciano always came to fight and did what he had to do to win in any fight. Rocky took LaStarza out easily in the rematch and LaStarza said Rocky had greatly improved since their first fight decision. Rocky learned on the job, because he had almost no amateur experience, a total of 5 amateur fights before turning pro. He didn't have a boxing coach before he turned pro and even for a while in his pro career. After getting extremely tired in his first amateur fight, he vowed to never fight again unless he was in shape. True to his word he worked out like a maniac the rest of his career. He had incredible conditioning, maybe the best stamina ever.

Early in his pro career, Silverman repeatedly matched him with men who had big punches and much more experience so that Marciano would lose, and he KOed every one of them because even without
experience he could wade through their best punches and nail them with either hand. He punched so hard that his hands were injured many times in his career.

If you fought Marciano, the odds are that everyone would find out if you had a chin, a body, recuperative power and a heart.You would definitely have to earn it, he came to fight.
Could he beat Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Ali in their primes, who knows? Ali could not have hurt Marciano or even slowed him down, but he may have turned it into a track meet and won, or he may
have gotten hurt, as in Frazier and Henry Cooper, (those weren't just flash knockdowns, Ali was hurt bad).

A note on Sonny Liston. Sonny sure did not like to get hit. The few fights that he got hit, he struggled. He would have quit against Marciano. old Leotis Martin knocked Sonny out cold as a
cucumber with a single left.

I rank Joe Louis as the best Heavy ever, Ray Robinson as the best fighter ever, but the way fighters match up makes for drama. No one fighter would have an easy go, the great ones rise to the occasion, but you better have a great chin, great conditioning and a ton of heart.

[Tysonisgod]

well done, you deff no your stuff about rocky man

[butterfly1964]

Why is this thread bumped?

[BKM-]

Can i ask why you bump your threads all the time?

[butterfly1964]

Can i ask why you bump your threads all the time?

I get bored sometimes.

[hhascup]

Ali fought better opponents then Rocky:

Of Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.

Of Rocky's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them only 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%.

Ali fought boxers with an average pro record of 32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2 for an average winning percentage of 85.268595%

Rocky fought boxers with an average pro record of 29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77 for an average winning percentage of 73.48%

Most boxing historians would agree that Ali fought the best and this proves it.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Threads like these should die because the worlds to full of Ali nuthuggers (nobody in particular) that are all caught up with a fighter being fast and are too ignorant to realise that a figher can be strong and slower and still be great...

This world needs to start looking at fighters equally in terms of how they fight rather then holding speed guys on a pedestal...

[butterfly1964]

Threads like these should die because the worlds to full of Ali nuthuggers (nobody in particular) that are all caught up with a fighter being fast and are too ignorant to realise that a figher can be strong and slower and still be great...

This world needs to start looking at fighters equally in terms of how they fight rather then holding speed guys on a pedestal...

Everybody has a need for speed!