Rocky Marciano VS Wladimir Klitschko.

[them_apples]

I am a non-biased, well educated and a very informed ex-boxer who has known dozens of great fighters, several hundred "champions" who have won "title belts" and literally thousands of fighters and people who have dedicated there lives to boxing and teaching boxing, who have made their livings in the boxing business I have seen Wlad fight with my own eyes. Nostalgia or Nationalistic loyalty's aside, I can assure you that if Lamont Brewster, Cory Sanders and Ross Pruitty would KO Wlad, there is no scenario within the realm of reason where Wlad could go the distance with Marciano. As small as Rock was, and with a 68 inch reach weighing 180 lbs against Wlad's 81 inch reach (with the jab Emanual taught him) and weighing 230 there is no doubt in my mind that Marciano would have KOed Wlad with relative ease.

Wlad's chin is his Achilles heel, and Rock was one of history's great KO punchers, if you can say with a straight face that Brewster, Sanders or Pruitty were better than Marciano, you sir are the one deluded. "Greatness" transcends mere title's or even "championships', it is an element of personality that causes Joe Frazier to get up 6 times against Foreman or Ali fight 12 rounds with a broken jaw. Marciano showed it by answering the next bell with one of the worse cuts in boxing history against Charles and KOing Charles with his nose split down the middle. Wlad got up against Samuel Peters, so he showed heart, but lets face it, his chin was the reason he was down in the first place.

Marciaon by KO in 6

you certainly are correct in every sense of the word

[them_apples]

He beats Wlad by TKO in about 8. Vitali would be a different story, could go either way. Would be a slugfest though. Either goes the distance in a close decision or someone gets stopped late. I'll go with Vitali here for the size advantage, as long as it's pre shoulder injury and he doesn't have his arms beaten up by Rocky to get him to drop his guard.

even Vitali really wouldn’t know what to do with Marciano. It’s a tough one to explain on a forum (to me) but the rocks style just isn’t around anymore. It’s some vintage skills.

They would fight in styles where you were completely not frantic, just totally calm and focused, like you were playing a game of basketball only throwing punches. They were tricky. “The art of appearing hittable” a constant feint employed by the best, is selling yourself to be open by making it look natural. Then launching punches they don’t see coming when they attempt to hit you (counter punching) —- Marcianos style. He LOOKS hittable. But he’s not. And thats because he’s selling us and the audience. He didn’t just eat punches. No, if you hit him, he didn’t care - but he avoided punches and counter punched by riding punches like it was drinking water.

[them_apples]

- - Ring is as great or greater than any other list.

U walk into U insults voluntarily sorta like Marquez being walked into a Barrera Right that dropped him longer than a count that Barrera didn't get credit for because he was old and replaceable now in boxing.

yeah the insults at the end of every post are getting annoying. You yourself would enjoy this forum more if you stopped. Nobody cares anymore.

Is that like some software you installed to generate a dumb insult to copy past into your forum posts?

Either that or he is a forum bot, to keep the forums busy for traffic. I feel someone would definitely pay for that and it likely exists.

you are correct about the Barrera point though

[Bundana]

even Vitali really wouldn�t know what to do with Marciano. It�s a tough one to explain on a forum (to me) but the rocks style just isn�t around anymore. It�s some vintage skills.

They would fight in styles where you were completely not frantic, just totally calm and focused, like you were playing a game of basketball only throwing punches. They were tricky. �The art of appearing hittable� a constant feint employed by the best, is selling yourself to be open by making it look natural. Then launching punches they don�t see coming when they attempt to hit you (counter punching) �- Marcianos style. He LOOKS hittable. But he�s not. And thats because he�s selling us and the audience. He didn�t just eat punches. No, if you hit him, he didn�t care - but he avoided punches and counter punched by riding punches like it was drinking water.

Lets enjoy Marciano's vintage skills for a moment. Skills that we sadly don't see anymore. So calm and focused and not frantic at all. If only we had great fighters like that today - instead of those thin-sculled, glass-jawed sissies,we now have to contend with!

[Ivich]

Lets enjoy Marciano's vintage skills for a moment. Skills that we sadly don't see anymore. So calm and focused and not frantic at all. If only we had great fighters like that today - instead of those thin-sculled, glass-jawed sissies,we now have to contend with!

Savold had nothing to offer but courage, and Marciano looked absolutely dreadful.

The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.

[Willie Pep 229]

Lets enjoy Marciano's vintage skills for a moment. Skills that we sadly don't see anymore. So calm and focused and not frantic at all. If only we had great fighters like that today - instead of those thin-sculled, glass-jawed sissies,we now have to contend with!

In the theme of . . . 'has the game evolved'?

In the 2nd round the announcer points out that Marciano doesn't need the fight to get a title shot, that was done with the Louis KO.

He then states that Rocky's trainer told him, he thinks Rocky needs more experience with better boxers before Walcott, and wanted Savold as a test.

Would that ever happen today? Would any handler today, make that call, with a HW Championship fight already in pre-negoitation?

Does this change in attitude affect the quality of the fight game today, up or down?

[Dr. Z]

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even Vitali really wouldn�t know what to do with Marciano. It�s a tough one to explain on a forum (to me) but the rocks style just isn�t around anymore. It�s some vintage skills.

They would fight in styles where you were completely not frantic, just totally calm and focused, like you were playing a game of basketball only throwing punches. They were tricky. �The art of appearing hittable� a constant feint employed by the best, is selling yourself to be open by making it look natural. Then launching punches they don�t see coming when they attempt to hit you (counter punching) �- Marcianos style. He LOOKS hittable. But he�s not. And thats because he�s selling us and the audience. He didn�t just eat punches. No, if you hit him, he didn�t care - but he avoided punches and counter punched by riding punches like it was drinking water.
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Vitlai hits significantly harder than any punch Rocky has been hit with. And he takes a much better punch than anyone Rocky hit. Rocky's heart was excellent , and he needed that to overcome bad cuts vs. small men. Let's get real.


This fight is a bad mismatch. - Dr. Z

[Slugfester]

It only takes one good punch to put old wobbly on his heels and holding his arms straight out.

[them_apples]

The thing is, he is very tricky fighter. Go look at Alis opinion of rocky from sparring. Rumor has it Rocky hurt him bad and it was covered up. Even against Savold coming off a flu Savold was a crafty experienced fighter. You need to understand everyone sounded like you guys in 1955 as well. Go read the articles. They all thought he would lose and had no skills. Even when he would almost kill someone it was always the same “look how sloppy he is look how short his arms are” meanwhile he’s putting atgs into retirement, permanently damaging them. These men were the same size as him, don’t use the LHW excuse. Rocky was said to have the easiest time with bigger targets.

sry lack of periods and commas trying to avoid artifacts slugfester gets credit for pointing that out

[Bundana]

The thing is, he is very tricky fighter. Go look at Alis opinion of rocky from sparring. Rumor has it Rocky hurt him bad and it was covered up. Even against Savold coming off a flu Savold was a crafty experienced fighter. You need to understand everyone sounded like you guys in 1955 as well. Go read the articles. They all thought he would lose and had no skills. Even when he would almost kill someone it was always the same �look how sloppy he is look how short his arms are� meanwhile he�s putting atgs into retirement, permanently damaging them. These men were the same size as him, don�t use the LHW excuse. Rocky was said to have the easiest time with bigger targets.

sry lack of periods and commas trying to avoid artifacts slugfester gets credit for pointing that out

Ali wouldn't try to make Rocky look bad - just as Tunney didn't want to belittle Corbett after their brief "sparring" session. They both treated the old champs with the respect they deserved. It doesn't really mean anything!

Look, Marciano wasn't some trickster, modern fighters wouldn't know what to do with! That someone like Vitali would have trouble with Marciano, because he had never before encountered the vintage skills Rocky would bring to the table... what an absurd idea!