Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[butterfly1964]

oh i was looking at his boxing record here

and it said Muhammad x

well, they're wrong, it's cassius x, because the x symbolizes that he wasn't cassius anymore just like malcolm little changed his name to malcolm x to signify that he wasn't malcolm little anymore, and that he had changed.

[hellfire508]

Yeah it was Cassius X. "Clay" was considered a slave name, thus that was dropped and the given name was kept. Then Elijah Muhammad allocated the name "Muhammad Ali" to him.

[SuzieQ49]

I remember this article by monte. it was beutfiful! it was a great joke that gave me a good laugh and relieved all the anger I had toward the most bias poster ever "revolver"

[Verstyle]

ne boxer can ve criticized no1 is perfect

[DaWayne]

Hey how can you even say this about Ali.Why don't you post joe's record starting with Cummings because you probaly read books on this or your arel hatter.because how long did Joes peak last.

[BKM-]

it's 100-8-0.

Were any of his losses by KO?
And how many times did he KO's did he have?

[Stiv Rex]

Red Smith and David anderson? who the **** are they? what about reputable historians, guys LIKE COX from cox's corner and others that think Ali won quite clearly.

dave anderson wrote one of the best nonfiction boxing books of all time, maybe you should look it up. "In the Corner."



there is always two sides to every story, always a point/counterpoint. I personally agree with a lot of the article, ali IS overrated. the only thing about him that was the greatest was his mouth, his ability to sell a fight. parkinsons robbed the world of ali's mouth. he never needed don king to sell his fights, he would have been the greatest promoter of all time.

anybody who ever grew up during ali's prime thinks he is the greatest boxer of all time, all classes, blah blah. thats because theres never been a more deluded and selfish generation than those people. joe louis, tyson, holmes, maybe even marciano would have all whipped ali if it was prime vs. prime. thats my boxing opinion.
personally, i think ali was a piece of ****. he had no class or respect for his opponents or his family or friends. he was a legend in his own mind, now hes trapped with that and the whole world has *****-itis feeling sorry for the guy without considering what kind of person he really was. its crazy, you read any one of the 800million books on ali, and every writer talks about all the ****ed up things he did and said, and at the same time they still have a hard on for him, making him out to be some sort of visionary or political icon?! he was a know-nothing athlete with a big mouth and pretty good boxing ability.

[Stiv Rex]

It's funny how people like to hate on Ali, when everyone, I mean everyone would love to see a fighter like ali in the heavy weights right now!!! Call it what you want, ALi whooped ass back then and would whoop some heavyweight ass right now...

thats a good point legend. i would like to see ali fighting now, it would be better than valuev-ruiz and byrd-klitschko. he was the greatest mouth of all time, he could bring fans to boxing. ali would have a shot against all the heavyweights out there right now too, although i think toney would make him look ******.

[Southpaw Stinger]

toney would make him look ******.

Toney doesn't make anyone look ******. He's a fat middle weight and I can see Ali laughing at the guy for a full fight!

[Frazier's 15th round]

Hey how can you even say this about Ali.Why don't you post joe's record starting with Cummings because you probaly read books on this or your arel hatter.because how long did Joes peak last.

Depends on how you look at it. Frazier started throwing only left hooks by about 1970, but I'd say he was prime from about 1968-1973. After FOTC, he was unmotivated, lazy both in the ring and out (such as laziness in the clinches and not training very hard). But I think he still had a lot of ability. But after Foreman, he wasn't the same intense animal in the ring, throwing punches non-stop. By the way, Cummings KO1 Ali.

personally, i think ali was a piece of ****. he had no class or respect for his opponents or his family or friends. he was a legend in his own mind, now hes trapped with that and the whole world has *****-itis feeling sorry for the guy without considering what kind of person he really was. its crazy, you read any one of the 800million books on ali, and every writer talks about all the ****ed up things he did and said, and at the same time they still have a hard on for him, making him out to be some sort of visionary or political icon?! he was a know-nothing athlete with a big mouth and pretty good boxing ability.

THAT is why I don't like Muhammad Ali. If he wasn't such a ****, I might like him. I mean, he's gotten a little nicer in his old age, but you can't excuse all those things he did. I mean, I think Ken Norton likes him, but Frazier hated his guts for like 30 years, Foreman doesn't respect his ability and claims that he was drugged during Rumble in the Jungle, and even Holmes has been trashing Ali (although, to be fair, Holmes does that to everybody). Those were the other big guns when Ali was around. I'm sure more boxers he faced don't exactly love him.