Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[Kid Achilles]

I'm not saying Lewis had no heart but it's true that he was the only heavyweight champion to never continue a fight after a knockdown. His chin wasn't neccesarily glass but when he was hurt, he was HURT.

[Heckler]

The greatest fighter is the one who is unbeatable.... I'm sorry to tell yah but no other boxer can reach the achievement of "the greatest" Rocky Marciano. The only flawless boxer with astonishing record of KO's. Ali is only considered as the greatest when "Amature" boxing is concern. He wn a gold medal at the Olypics and that was the only greatest achievement he has got.

I am so sorry if you got sored.

Was this like a joke? so his achievement of beating liston, frazier x2, foreman is nothing. Marciano was a great fighter but 'show me a fighter who hasn't been beat, and ill show you one that hasn't fought anybody' He beat an old Walcott, Ezzard charles, and Louis. He reigned in the weakest period of boxing (on par with now). He beat the best there was at the time, and was without a doubt a GREAT that deserves to be in the top 10 if not the top 5.

[Stiv Rex]

Your a moron. Ali had the balls to come out, state his views and opinions with conviction, in 1960's america... this was simply viewed as outrageous for an african american of his status to do this. He had more to loose by refusing to go to vietnam then going. He will always have my respect for that. ****ed up things? Most of it was hype, even with Frazier it was mostly hype, but he went to far... hes not perfect, no-one is. Let me guess, your an old white guy?

Ali was a big mouth idiot. What was his stand? "I disagree with the war because it is a white mans war." Maybe the ideology behind it was questionable (marshall plan, domino theory), and the tactics used to initiate and carry it out were as well (gulf of tonkin conspiracy, agent orange, selective draft, air america etc), but thats beside the point.
The point is he turned his back on america for bull**** racial reasons. America isnt about black and white, not now, not ever. People who believe that and incorporate that belief into their everyday actions dont do a ****ing thing to end racism, they just perpetuate hostility and distrust. They make it worse, which is what ali did.
Joe louis went to war, and when he did it america was a WHOLE lot worse for black people. He didnt even get a gun, he talked to troops and people at home to help morale. He was an american first, not a black man first. And despite his other shortcomings, (drugs, ********, mental illness) even today 60+ years later he is loved; in the end he brought people together.
Now, we know that ali's opinion was not his original idea, it was suggested to him by elijah mohammed, who proved to be a mysogynist, racist, thief, borderline pedophile, MURDERER (malcom X, who by the way was opposed to ali's stance after his seperation from the nation of islam. He also wanted to bring people together, regardless of their race), violent, all-around-piece-of-****.
Has ali ever changed his opinion? I honestly dont know. I think that would give me a reason to not think he was a piece of ****, because most people can be easily influenced when they are young, especially considering ali's unique position in the world.
Yes, ****ed up things. There is a difference between showmanship, selling a fight, and classless, racist, babbling. Anyone can draw a crowd by yapping their head off about politically sensitive issues. That doesnt make them a "visionary," as ali has been referred to; it doesnt mean they have any real information regarding what they are talking about. Im tired of writing this, when i use generalizations and profanity like that its because i dont want to go through the waste of time writing out an explanatory email for ****heads like you. Go get a ****ing education before you call someone a moron for their views. Because, in this case, you end up dead wrong and looking pretty ****ing ****** yourself.
By the way, Im a 27 year old grad student at an ivy league school. My father is a first generation AMERICAN, who came over from italy when he was in his teens. My mother is a first generation AMERICAN as well, who is originally from spain. Am I italian-american, or italian-spanish-american, or italian-latino-american? Nope, Im american, and you're a dip****.

[BIG_BOSS]

ali was great, hense "greatest of all time"

[butterfly1964]

I'm not saying Lewis had no heart but it's true that he was the only heavyweight champion to never continue a fight after a knockdown. His chin wasn't neccesarily glass but when he was hurt, he was HURT.

what about sonny liston?

[Yogi]

what about sonny liston?

Liston got off the floor to win a fight against Marshall, which was early on in his career.

[Heckler]

Ali was a big mouth idiot. What was his stand? "I disagree with the war because it is a white mans war." Maybe the ideology behind it was questionable (marshall plan, domino theory), and the tactics used to initiate and carry it out were as well (gulf of tonkin conspiracy, agent orange, selective draft, air america etc), but thats beside the point.
The point is he turned his back on america for bull**** racial reasons. America isnt about black and white, not now, not ever. People who believe that and incorporate that belief into their everyday actions dont do a ****ing thing to end racism, they just perpetuate hostility and distrust. They make it worse, which is what ali did.
Joe louis went to war, and when he did it america was a WHOLE lot worse for black people. He didnt even get a gun, he talked to troops and people at home to help morale. He was an american first, not a black man first. And despite his other shortcomings, (drugs, ********, mental illness) even today 60+ years later he is loved; in the end he brought people together.
Now, we know that ali's opinion was not his original idea, it was suggested to him by elijah mohammed, who proved to be a mysogynist, racist, thief, borderline pedophile, MURDERER (malcom X, who by the way was opposed to ali's stance after his seperation from the nation of islam. He also wanted to bring people together, regardless of their race), violent, all-around-piece-of-****.
Has ali ever changed his opinion? I honestly dont know. I think that would give me a reason to not think he was a piece of ****, because most people can be easily influenced when they are young, especially considering ali's unique position in the world.
Yes, ****ed up things. There is a difference between showmanship, selling a fight, and classless, racist, babbling. Anyone can draw a crowd by yapping their head off about politically sensitive issues. That doesnt make them a "visionary," as ali has been referred to; it doesnt mean they have any real information regarding what they are talking about. Im tired of writing this, when i use generalizations and profanity like that its because i dont want to go through the waste of time writing out an explanatory email for ****heads like you. Go get a ****ing education before you call someone a moron for their views. Because, in this case, you end up dead wrong and looking pretty ****ing ****** yourself.
By the way, Im a 27 year old grad student at an ivy league school. My father is a first generation AMERICAN, who came over from italy when he was in his teens. My mother is a first generation AMERICAN as well, who is originally from spain. Am I italian-american, or italian-spanish-american, or italian-latino-american? Nope, Im american, and you're a dip****.

You are a moron. Why should Ali have been patriotic? his logic is a very sensible one... WHY SHOULD I FIGHT, OR BE PATRIOTIC FOR A NATION THAT WILL NOT GIVE ME EQUALITY. Simple. At an ivy league school? do you really think i give a **** about your nations ****** ass obsession with prestige in education? Im a 21 year old from New Zealand currently attending University studying sociology... whats your point? Outside of America(if you are able to comprehend an existance outside America) we laugh at morons such as yourself that are blindly patriotic. Ali come out with the statement 'no vietcong ever called me ******'. Ali genuinely held these views and was not forced to express them the way he did ^ (with passion). Ali, along with most Americans at the time did not know where Vietnam was and again his logic was simple yet sensible. Why should i go and fight in a nation i know nothing about, be part of a war machine that will inflict casualites on a people that have done nothing to me, because the govt of my country decided to go to war as a result of bull**** political motivations. Ali is not racist, he WAS a seperatist. His following of the Nation of Islam was very loose. They thought white man was the devil, however he was close to various white persons such as howard cosell and angelo dundee... thus he left the Nation of Islam due to his inability to see eye to eye with elijah. 'I use to think white people should be with white people and blacks with blacks, now i think colour is irrelevant' - Muhammad Ali.

And people don't get me wrong, people will look at this post and may get the impression that i dislike Americans. Thats not the case at all, ive met many and found them to be very decent people... i just dont like the minority whom are blindly patriotic.

[smasher]

You are a moron. Why should Ali have been patriotic? his logic is a very sensible one... WHY SHOULD I FIGHT, OR BE PATRIOTIC FOR A NATION THAT WILL NOT GIVE ME EQUALITY. Simple. At an ivy league school? do you really think i give a **** about your nations ****** ass obsession with prestige in education? Im a 21 year old from New Zealand currently attending University studying sociology... whats your point? Outside of America(if you are able to comprehend an existance outside America) we laugh at morons such as yourself that are blindly patriotic. Ali come out with the statement 'no vietcong ever called me ******'. Ali genuinely held these views and was not forced to express them the way he did ^ (with passion). Ali, along with most Americans at the time did not know where Vietnam was and again his logic was simple yet sensible. Why should i go and fight in a nation i know nothing about, be part of a war machine that will inflict casualites on a people that have done nothing to me, because the govt of my country decided to go to war as a result of bull**** political motivations. Ali is not racist, he WAS a seperatist. His following of the Nation of Islam was very loose. They thought white man was the devil, however he was close to various white persons such as howard cosell and angelo dundee... thus he left the Nation of Islam due to his inability to see eye to eye with elijah. 'I use to think white people should be with white people and blacks with blacks, now i think colour is irrelevant' - Muhammad Ali.

And people don't get me wrong, people will look at this post and may get the impression that i dislike Americans. Thats not the case at all, ive met many and found them to be very decent people... i just dont like the minority whom are blindly patriotic.

The American government told Muhammad Ali "We want you to go to Vietnam and kill people."

Muhammad Ali said "I don't mind getting in the ring and beating people up but I don't want to go to Vietnam to kill people."

So the American government said, "Well if you're not going to kill people, we won't let you beat people up!"

[RockyMarcianofan00]

The American government told Muhammad Ali "We want you to go to Vietnam and kill people."

Muhammad Ali said "I don't mind getting in the ring and beating people up but I don't want to go to Vietnam to kill people."

So the American government said, "Well if you're not going to kill people, we won't let you beat people up!"

ya know they probably wouldn't have even made him shoot a gun they probably would have done what they did with Joe Louis
put him in exhibition fights to raise moral

[hellfire508]

Oh my god. Some people's ignorance is pathetic. Joe Louis went to war because World War 2 was a just war, in everybody's eyes. How just was Vietnam? I've said this a thousand times, i'm rather right-winged, however I know the Vietnam war was not just. Why the hell should Muhammad Ali goto a war that is against his religion, and for a cause he doesn't believe in? At the peak of the civil rights movement - when black people were finally fighting back for their equality - Ali was drafted for a totally unjust war, to fight for a country who treated him and his people like ****. He stood up for HIS beliefs, and I totally support his decision. Good on him for growing some balls and standing up for his people.

Don't give me that "he should have been patriotic like Joe Louis" bull****. Joe Louis did what he was told. That was his character obviously. Ali did not. And he made the right choice. Patriotic? WHY THE **** should he fight for a country that treats him and his people like animals? Especially when its for such a ****ty war like vietnam.