Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[BKM-]

Yeah he was a great boxer. Some of his fans(*******uals like Smasher ) are ****s though.

How many of Ali's fights did you see.

[smasher]

PS: ''Do you know how to go **** yourself?'' NO, but i guess you want to learn people huh. You probably **** yourself with an Ali action figure you ****ing ******.

SEE STEP #7.

[butterfly1964]

SEE STEP #7.

haha, lol!

[rocco1252]

sure rickypryor, marciano is the greatest. i guess that's why he was almost ko'd by a 42yr. old middleweight with one punch, huh? i guess thats why bums like lastarza could embarrass him but still get robbed? i guess that's why marciano is the most overrated piece of crap hw ever in the history of boxing? marciano is only the greatest to white racist ******s who need a white to be their savior. marciano was nothing but a bum who fought other bums. if he fought any top ten hw he would be crushed! guys like ali and holmes would have cut him up and embarrased him. johnson, louis, lewis, dempsey and frazier would methodically beat him down with ease. and foreman liston and tyson would just jump all over that little bum and kill him! marciano is just an over-hyped, unskilled cruiserweight who will only be known as "the greatest" to some because of his skin color.

you mean just like ali is too you then? Your basing your judgement on skin color as well becasue I have never seen you give praise to anything white in any of these forums so you should be the one to talk huh? Ali was over rated, he wasnt the greatest but he was in the top 10 fighters of all time because of the person he was and the things he did. Put it this way if Ali didnt do the things he did outside the ring he wouldnt be considered such an inspirational figure inside the ring. Marciano would have beaten Ali in his prime no doubt, you put him up against people like Holmes maybe not Foreman probably not, Frazier he would beat no problem, Johnson and Lewis would have had some trouble with Marciano. I say this because of their fighting styles, styles make fights and Ali just happened to have a style that big men couldnt handle but if you watch him against Frazier he had some trouble in all 3 matches he wasnt the usual dominant Ali we were all used to seeing. Now if you put him up against someone stronger and more relentless in heart and fighting such as Marciano he would have had a real problem like he did Frazier.

[butterfly1964]

you mean just like ali is too you then? Your basing your judgement on skin color as well becasue I have never seen you give praise to anything white in any of these forums so you should be the one to talk huh? Ali was over rated, he wasnt the greatest but he was in the top 10 fighters of all time because of the person he was and the things he did. Put it this way if Ali didnt do the things he did outside the ring he wouldnt be considered such an inspirational figure inside the ring. Marciano would have beaten Ali in his prime no doubt, you put him up against people like Holmes maybe not Foreman probably not, Frazier he would beat no problem, Johnson and Lewis would have had some trouble with Marciano. I say this because of their fighting styles, styles make fights and Ali just happened to have a style that big men couldnt handle but if you watch him against Frazier he had some trouble in all 3 matches he wasnt the usual dominant Ali we were all used to seeing. Now if you put him up against someone stronger and more relentless in heart and fighting such as Marciano he would have had a real problem like he did Frazier.

rocco just shut your mouth, cause your talking **** right now. marciano a slow, weak, unskilled 180lb. cruiserweight will not have a chance against a big, strong, fast 215lb. man. the fact that you said marciano would beat him with ease makes you either the biggest idiot or the biggest racist! frazier has boxing skills and is quick. marciano is slow and unskilled. frazier is lightyears better than marciano ever was. but he still barely beat a past prime ali once, and couldn't beat him again, but yet a short slow little 180lb. man would "no doubt" beat ali in his prime? go do some boxing research, then come and argue, cause you obviously don't know ****.

[rocco1252]

rocco just shut your mouth, cause your talking **** right now. marciano a slow, weak, unskilled 180lb. cruiserweight will not have a chance against a big, strong, fast 215lb. man. the fact that you said marciano would beat him with ease makes you either the biggest idiot or the biggest racist! frazier has boxing skills and is quick. marciano is slow and unskilled. frazier is lightyears better than marciano ever was. but he still barely beat a past prime ali once, and couldn't beat him again, but yet a short slow little 180lb. man would "no doubt" beat ali in his prime? go do some boxing research, then come and argue, cause you obviously don't know ****.

how many of ali's fights have you seen honestly?? because you cant be older than 17 by reading your posts, and it always seems that you are on here after school hours.

I have been involved with boxing for over 8 years kid and have been following it for 15 or more, so before you go basing your judgements on skin color like you always seem to just quiet down before you get embarrassed. First off Marciano would not have gotten tired like Foreman did, Second the reason why Frazier couldnt beat Ali during their second and third fights is because he wasnt Marciano, didnt have the power, the heart or the chin that Marciano did.

Marciano may have been 180 lbs but the best fighters of that era such as Louis, Walcott, and Charles all claimed they have never been hit by anything as hard as Marciano and these are people who fought the greats just like Marciano did and they even fought more of them. Marciano's power would have done wonders to the chin of Ali as well as any of the top heavyweights of any era. Dont get me wrong I love Ali always have but he wasnt a Marciano, most of what Ali is made out to be is because of the variety of things he had done inside and outside of the ring.

Ali was great but he wouldnt have been able to handle Marciano no way no how, for being 215 yeah he was bigger but not more powerful, he was faster but didnt have as much heart, he was more skilled but didnt have the tenacity in the ring like Marciano who would have kept coming foward no matter how many times he was hit. And before you go saying Marciano was dropped by Walcott another blown up Cruiser I'll just have you know he was up in a matter of 4 second he got hit got up and still managed to win the fight it was more of a matter of balance which Marciano was flat footed so he was always off balance but thats why he had so much power. Marciano was down a total of 6 seconds in his career and still managed to come back and win despite being hit of balance, on balance, any balance it didnt matter he won.

So go back to your Rihanna appreciation thread and continue talking to yourself and posting pictures of someone who you will never see or get a chance with. Have a good day!

[butterfly1964]

how many of ali's fights have you seen honestly?? because you cant be older than 17 by reading your posts, and it always seems that you are on here after school hours.

I have been involved with boxing for over 8 years kid and have been following it for 15 or more, so before you go basing your judgements on skin color like you always seem to just quiet down before you get embarrassed. First off Marciano would not have gotten tired like Foreman did, Second the reason why Frazier couldnt beat Ali during their second and third fights is because he wasnt Marciano, didnt have the power, the heart or the chin that Marciano did.

Marciano may have been 180 lbs but the best fighters of that era such as Louis, Walcott, and Charles all claimed they have never been hit by anything as hard as Marciano and these are people who fought the greats just like Marciano did and they even fought more of them. Marciano's power would have done wonders to the chin of Ali as well as any of the top heavyweights of any era. Dont get me wrong I love Ali always have but he wasnt a Marciano, most of what Ali is made out to be is because of the variety of things he had done inside and outside of the ring.

Ali was great but he wouldnt have been able to handle Marciano no way no how, for being 215 yeah he was bigger but not more powerful, he was faster but didnt have as much heart, he was more skilled but didnt have the tenacity in the ring like Marciano who would have kept coming foward no matter how many times he was hit. And before you go saying Marciano was dropped by Walcott another blown up Cruiser I'll just have you know he was up in a matter of 4 second he got hit got up and still managed to win the fight it was more of a matter of balance which Marciano was flat footed so he was always off balance but thats why he had so much power. Marciano was down a total of 6 seconds in his career and still managed to come back and win despite being hit of balance, on balance, any balance it didnt matter he won.

So go back to your Rihanna appreciation thread and continue talking to yourself and posting pictures of someone who you will never see or get a chance with. Have a good day!

#1 i've seen like 50 of ali's fights, alright.

and marciano is overrated. i never bring race into my own opinions about how good fighters are, but apparently alot of ya'll do. jack dempsey is one of my favorite fighters and he is white. so before you go running your mouth about me being racist, read my other posts before you make slanted judgements.

"the reason why Frazier couldnt beat Ali during their second and third fights is because he wasnt Marciano, didnt have the power, the heart or the chin that Marciano did" are you serious? frazier is 205 and marciano is like 185, and frazier proved he could beat skilled guys alot bigger and taller than him, and marciano hasn't, but yet marciano is better? frazier is faster, stronger, more powerful, better chin, and heart is about the same. frazier was never dropped with one punch by a 40+ year old 5'9" middleweight, marciano was. and whether he was off-balanced or not, the point is a middleweight dropped him, so if marciano has the cast-iron chin you say he has then even when off-balanced, moore shouldn't have been able to put him on the canvas.

and who in the **** did louis, walcott, and charles fight anyway. if they fought foreman or liston, they all would have been ko'd in round one, with the exception of joe louis.

what "wonders" would marciano do to ali's chin? liston, foreman, shavers, frazier, and even lyle punches harder than marciano, but besides frazier, they could put him down and most of them couldn't even hurt him, so what makes you think marciano would seriously hurt ali?

ali was one of the strongest hw's of all time. no doubt in the clenches he would have marciano flying all-over the ring from post to post. ali probably had just as much heart as marciano. what else would make him fight with a broken jaw and pull off that performance in thrilla?

whether marciano got up or not, the point is he shouldn't have been down in the first place. ali would school him, then knock the bum out.

and i'm sure i have a better chance with rihanna than you!

[SuzieQ49]

first of all let me say butterfly you need to study marciano more closely on film.

marciano may not have been a polished boxer, but his style was VERY effective and he was far more skilled than u think.


marcianos liek carlos monzon. you watch them on film at first and you are not impressed. then u watch them again and watch them very closely and its then that you realize just how effective THERE OWN style was.


marciano used his style to perfection. he was extremely effective.





also marciano was not 180lb. he was in the high 180s. he was also immensley strong, one of the stronger heavyweight champs of all time. marciano was defintley stronger frazier



marcianos strength is the most underated thing about marciano. people make a big deal about his stamina, but they forget how strong he was.

[SuzieQ49]

marciano a slow, weak, unskilled 180lb. cruiserweight will not have a chance against a big, strong, fast 215lb. man.

ur right,


i mean its not like 3 guys who floored ali weighed 205lb or less

-or that a 180lb man nearly knocked out ali


- or that ali nearly lost on points to a light-H named doug jones.


i find it funny how these guys have a chance, but not a all time great fighter like rocky marciano.





funny how you call marciano "weak." this is a clear statement you know nothing about marciano. marciano was incredibly strong.

archie moore who fought many men over 220lb called marciano "far and away the strongest man i ever fought and believe me i met some tough ones"

charles who also faced many big heavies called "marciano the strongest man i ever fought"

almost every fighter who fought rocky testified on rockys amazing strength.


of course butterfly, you know more about marcianos strength thaan these guys. i mean you were in the ring with marciano werent you?

[SuzieQ49]

Marciano may have been 180 lbs

marciano was not 180lb. would u like it if i called ali 200lb?

frazier is 205 and marciano is like 185, and frazier proved he could beat skilled guys alot bigger and taller than him, and marciano hasn't, but yet marciano is better? frazier is faster, stronger, more powerful, better chin, and heart is about the same. frazier was never dropped with one punch by a 40+ year old 5'9" middleweight, marciano was.

marciano is stronger than frazier. though marciano is only 185lb, he trained himself down from well over 200lb to 185lb. frazier is a little beefy around the midsection, if he went through marcianos training camp, he would defintley be under 200lb.

and frazier proved he could beat skilled guys alot bigger and taller than him, and marciano hasn't, but yet marciano is better?

wut bigger guys besides ali? buster mathis? joe bugner?



marciano shouldnt be critisized for this reason, because there was no big skilled guy like ali around for marciano to fight.

- still marciano fought 6'2 214lb joe louis who though far past his prime, was still a formidable fighter and it took a very good fighter to beat him even at that stage of his career.

frazier is faster, stronger, more powerful, better chin, and heart is about the same.

frazier is NOT stronger, and is not more powerful. also i would give the edge in chin to marciano.

i favor marciano as the greater puncher because marciano had the better two fisted KO power.

frazier was never dropped with one punch by a 40+ year old 5'9" middleweight

you mean a 38 year old 5'11 185lb fighter who had won 45 of his last 46 fights and has the most knockouts of all time? did you not forget moore was coming off two victories over 6'3 210lb nino valdes and a knockout victory over 6'2 220lb bob baker, BOTH TOP CONTENDERS.

- also it was a flash knockdown, marciano was up at 2. that punch moore hit marciano with would have knocked out most other heavyweights.


moore was 5'11, NOT 5'9.


mooore couldnt punch?


curtis hatchetman Sheppard who was in with just about every top heavyweight of the '40s, including big, hard-hitting contenders like Lee Q. Murray and Lem Franklin, and still alled Moore the hardest hitter he ever faced. Tiger Ted Lowry, who fought nearly every top heavyweight of the late '40s through mid '50s, said the same thing.










butterfly,


did you not forget frazier was floored by a 4-1 195lb fighter?

was marciano ever floored by a fighter like that?


frazier was also floored twice and nearly stopped by oscar bonavena. others like manuel ramos, and ron stander hurt frazier badly.


marciano was floored just 2x in his career, BOTH WERE FLASH KNOCKDOWNS WHERE MARCIANO WAS UP AT 2.

the only guys who put rocky down were also very good punchers.

walcott rated 66th in RINGS TOP 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS OF ALL TIME.

moore rated 4th in RINGS top 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS OF ALL TIME.





marciano wasnt even floored until his 44th bout. in comparison, frazier was floored in just his 5th career bout.