who's the best fighter in history you would pick Wlad to beat

[StarshipTrooper]

I agree with you. wlad isn't much of a combination puncher. he showed flashes of it earlier in his career before his chin got touched but little since then. anyway,,you don't need to constantly get perverted on people that disagree with you. its not cool

It's not cool that people come onto boxing forums and act like jackasses. I just happen respond with contempt when they do.

[Humean]

Sorry dude, but 20 consecutive jabs with a solitary right hand tossed in does not constitute "combination punching". Have you ever watched a fighter that actually DOES through combinations? Or are you too busy beating off in your ivory tower over philosophical theories who's relationship to the real world is both small and purely accidental?

1. So he doesn't ever throw one-twos? Is that what you are claiming? Doesn't his right hand almost always come after a jab? Klitschko is an excessively cautious fighter but he does throw combinations at opportune moments, especially when trying to finish his opponents off. I have no idea what the source of your bias happens to be but anyone who actually watches his fights can see that as clear as day.

2. It is funny that yourself and at least one other, think it is some sort of meaningful criticism of me that i'm 'academic' or 'philosophical', what you really mean is that I actually know how to reason and can spot bad reasoning. I'm not going to apologize for being educated.

It's not cool that people come onto boxing forums and act like jackasses. I just happen respond with contempt when they do.

I'm sure you can understand my thoughts and reactions, and no doubt others, upon reading your posts.

[StarshipTrooper]

1. So he doesn't ever throw one-twos? Is that what you are claiming? Doesn't his right hand almost always come after a jab? Klitschko is an excessively cautious fighter but he does throw combinations at opportune moments, especially when trying to finish his opponents off. I have no idea what the source of your bias happens to be but anyone who actually watches his fights can see that as clear as day.

2. It is funny that yourself and at least one other, think it is some sort of meaningful criticism of me that i'm 'academic' or 'philosophical', what you really mean is that I actually know how to reason and can spot bad reasoning. I'm not going to apologize for being educated.



I'm sure you can understand my thoughts and reactions, and no doubt others, upon reading your posts.

You're confusing "academic" with "pin head who wouldn't know common sense if it bit him on the ass peddling bogus theories that have no bearing on the real world". You aren't the former and clearly fall in the latter category.

And no, Wlad does NOT throw combinations. Clearly you've never seen a combination puncher otherwise you'd know the difference.

PS. I have a degree and have rubbed enough shoulders in academia to be able to spot the difference between an intellectual and a pin head.

[Humean]

You're confusing "academic" with "pin head who wouldn't know common sense if it bit him on the ass peddling bogus theories that have no bearing on the real world". You aren't the former and clearly fall in the latter category.

And no, Wlad does NOT throw combinations. Clearly you've never seen a combination puncher otherwise you'd know the difference.

PS. I have a degree and have rubbed enough shoulders in academia to be able to spot the difference between an intellectual and a pin head.

Bogus theories? What are you talking about?

Yes Wlad Klitschko does throw combinations, anyone can see that, but you can believe whatever you want.

You sound extraordinarily insecure but please keep the insults going, it is covering you in absolute glory and really enhancing the topic of debate.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

To clear this up about wlad and combination punching

Wlad throws 1 combo,, the 1-2 with maybe a left hook behind it,,

or the double jab with a right behind it,,

he never throws more than 3 punches, and he rarely throws 3 punches,, mostly all jabs and then a 1-2

For heavyweights, he throws alot of 2,3 punch combos but it is the most rudimentary combos that are taught in boxing 101,,

To say that he is a Combination puncher is an exaggreation,, yes he throws a 1-2 from time to time but he isnt a combination puncher,,,
A combination puncher has a vast arsenal of combos and can mix them up and has a wide variety of punches to use,, wlad has like 2 combos and uses them to death, he is not a true combination puncher

a guy like jmm is a combination puncher, or a prime toney

for heavys- nobody really throws combinations anymore, a prime holyfield could throw some nice ones, but that is about it in recent years, maybe adamek

I hope this clears it up

[StarshipTrooper]

Bogus theories? What are you talking about?

Yes Wlad Klitschko does throw combinations, anyone can see that, but you can believe whatever you want.

You sound extraordinarily insecure but please keep the insults going, it is covering you in absolute glory and really enhancing the topic of debate.

I've seen you prattle on ad nauseum about Occam's Razor. Anything that tries to apply a formula to human activity is bogus. Human beings do NOT act like mathematical equations. That's probably the biggest reason that pin heads also tend to be the biggest misanthropes on the planet: "Those damn human beings won't conform to my scientific formulas!"

No he doesn't and anyone can see it who isn't a complete ******. Apparently that's the category you fall under.

What I am is extraordinarily irritated by ******ity from people who don't know jack **** about boxing.

[beez721]

To clear this up about wlad and combination punching

Wlad throws 1 combo,, the 1-2 with maybe a left hook behind it,,

or the double jab with a right behind it,,

he never throws more than 3 punches, and he rarely throws 3 punches,, mostly all jabs and then a 1-2

For heavyweights, he throws alot of 2,3 punch combos but it is the most rudimentary combos that are taught in boxing 101,,

To say that he is a Combination puncher is an exaggreation,, yes he throws a 1-2 from time to time but he isnt a combination puncher,,,
A combination puncher has a vast arsenal of combos and can mix them up and has a wide variety of punches to use,, wlad has like 2 combos and uses them to death, he is not a true combination puncher

a guy like jmm is a combination puncher, or a prime toney

for heavys- nobody really throws combinations anymore, a prime holyfield could throw some nice ones, but that is about it in recent years, maybe adamek

I hope this clears it up

spot on. good combination punching has become a lost art in the heavyweight division

[StarshipTrooper]

To clear this up about wlad and combination punching

Wlad throws 1 combo,, the 1-2 with maybe a left hook behind it,,

or the double jab with a right behind it,,

he never throws more than 3 punches, and he rarely throws 3 punches,, mostly all jabs and then a 1-2

For heavyweights, he throws alot of 2,3 punch combos but it is the most rudimentary combos that are taught in boxing 101,,

To say that he is a Combination puncher is an exaggreation,, yes he throws a 1-2 from time to time but he isnt a combination puncher,,,
A combination puncher has a vast arsenal of combos and can mix them up and has a wide variety of punches to use,, wlad has like 2 combos and uses them to death, he is not a true combination puncher

a guy like jmm is a combination puncher, or a prime toney

for heavys- nobody really throws combinations anymore, a prime holyfield could throw some nice ones, but that is about it in recent years, maybe adamek

I hope this clears it up

To put it bluntly, Wlad is a pot-shotter. Watch prime Tyson for an example of a heavyweight throwing in combination.

[beez721]

To put it bluntly, Wlad is a pot-shotter. Watch prime Tyson for an example of a heavyweight throwing in combination.

rid**** bowe was one of the very few big heavyweights that also threw pretty good combinations

[Humean]

To clear this up about wlad and combination punching

Wlad throws 1 combo,, the 1-2 with maybe a left hook behind it,,

or the double jab with a right behind it,,

he never throws more than 3 punches, and he rarely throws 3 punches,, mostly all jabs and then a 1-2

For heavyweights, he throws alot of 2,3 punch combos but it is the most rudimentary combos that are taught in boxing 101,,

To say that he is a Combination puncher is an exaggreation,, yes he throws a 1-2 from time to time but he isnt a combination puncher,,,
A combination puncher has a vast arsenal of combos and can mix them up and has a wide variety of punches to use,, wlad has like 2 combos and uses them to death, he is not a true combination puncher

a guy like jmm is a combination puncher, or a prime toney

for heavys- nobody really throws combinations anymore, a prime holyfield could throw some nice ones, but that is about it in recent years, maybe adamek

I hope this clears it up

poet682006's response in regards to combination punching was essentially to my response to you about Jack Johnson facing someone who could punch in combination. Thus the comparison is not with Wlad compared to Marquez or the great combination punchers of today or tomorrow but Wlad compared to the guys that Jack Johnson was facing, guys who do not seem to be doing much punching in combination, at least from the limited film footage. With Jack Johnson's style Wlad would presumably throw a lot more in combination if he fought Jack Johnson, because Wlad can punch very competently in combination, shown not just by the earlier part of his career when he was significantly more aggressive, but also now at particular moments. Thus poet682006's claim that if Wlad threw a combination at Jack Johnson it would be for the first time is beyond absurd, even as a lame comedic exaggeration.