Retracing the lineal P4P #1 fighter thru the years

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Perhaps I am in the minority in finding it frivolous.

Hypothetical contests I understand, this I don't.

This guy gets it. It's a waste of time.

Well if you guys dont like it, then dont come into the thread if its a waste of time,,

I just thought this would be a good discussion and something fresh, since we usually just talk about heavys and such on history section..

I understand that there is no way of telling for sure, and its all based on opinion but nonetheless its something to talk about

[Humean]

Perhaps I am in the minority in finding it frivolous.

Hypothetical contests I understand, this I don't.

It is frivolous, all boxing talk is pretty frivolous really. Although many on here take it deadly serious.

[Humean]

Thanks for the list...

I have a question for some of the older posters about monzon,, I watched his fights, but he was before my time, was he really that technically sound to be a p4p #1... not dis*****g his status as a top mw, but i always thought he was alittle crude, and not as sound of a fighter as say hagler or hopkins,,
what do you guys think

I'm not an older poster but from watching his fights I would say he was the best middleweight of all time. He certainly wasn't the most fluid and graceful but he got the job done. I can't think of another fighter who had a style, and a gameplan based on that style, and pretty much stuck to it round after round after round.

Who else would you have ahead of Monzon in the early to mid 70s, Duran?

[joeandthebums]

I'm not an older poster but from watching his fights I would say he was the best middleweight of all time.

Where would you place Harry Greb in the pantheon of middleweights?

Is the lack of footage an important factor for you?

[billeau2]

Thanks for the list...

I have a question for some of the older posters about monzon,, I watched his fights, but he was before my time, was he really that technically sound to be a p4p #1... not dis*****g his status as a top mw, but i always thought he was alittle crude, and not as sound of a fighter as say hagler or hopkins,,
what do you guys think

Sometimes guys do look a certain way. The fight game is rife with deception. The illusion that the guy you are fighting looks easy to beat because.......

But sometimes this is a trap. Ali and Jones did everything wrong yet made it work for them because of superhuman abilities... Right now there is a clip of Ali that one of the posters has up showing one of my favorite sequences: Ali gets thrown at and avoids every punch with shoulder movement. Most guys could never do that and hence would look very hittable.

In my opinion Monzon looked very ordinary. I tend to think this was because he did everything so well and had no real weaknesses. Also, again an opinion! Monzon was deceptively rangy...I can tell you as a martial artist, fighting guys who were quick and long in the limbs can be a *****. Monzon always looked heavy in the hands but rangy explosive. This is a veryhard type of puncher to deal with

[Jiggy White]

Hagler was the number one guy with Ring Mag for something like six years in the early eighties. Just thought I would throw that out there.

After that Chavez.

After that Pernell

Oscar

Roy

i just can't find the almanac with the years. i am going on memory.

[Jiggy White]

Found it - more or less complete Ring P4P List from 1980

11-28-2012, 09:13 AM
I just came across this in a search. Somebody must have posted the list from one of the Ring Almanacs. Thought you clowns might find it interesting.




1980

KO ****zine (January)
1 - Roberto Duran
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Wilfredo Gomez
4 - Danny Lopez
5 - Pipino Cuevas
6 - Alexis Arguello
7 - Larry Holmes
8 - Wilfred Benitez
9 - Vito Antuofermo/Matt Saad Muhammad (tie)


1981

KO ****zine (January)
1 - Thomas Hearns
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Marvin Hagler
4 - Larry Holmes
5 - Alexis Arguello
6 - Wilfredo Gomez
7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad
9 - Wilfred Benitez
10 - Roberto Duran/Aaron Pryor (tie)

1982

KO ****zine
1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Salvador Sanchez
5. Wilfred Benitez
6. Larry Holmes
7. Jeff Chandler
8. Eusebio Pedroza
9. Aaron Pryor
10. Thomas Hearns/Dwight Braxton* (tie)

*Dwight Muhammad Qawi

1983

KO ****zine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Michael Spinks
5. Jeff Chandler
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Alexis Arguello
8. Wilfredo Gomez
9. Hector Camacho
10. Eusebio Pedroza

1984

KO ****zine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Hector Camacho
6. Ray Leonard
6. Jeff Chandler
8. Michael Spinks
9. Thomas Hearns
10. Donald Curry

1985

KO ****zine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Hector Camacho
3. Michael Spinks
4. Donald Curry
5. Thomas Hearns
6. Barry McGuigan
7. Milton McCrory
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Pinklon Thomas
10. Larry Holmes

1986

KO ****zine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Mike Tyson
3. Donald Curry
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Edwin Rosario
6. Azumah Nelson
6. Michael Spinks
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Hector Camacho



1987

1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Thomas Hearns
6. Michael Nunn
7. Jeff Fenech
8. Azumah Nelson
9. Michael Spinks
10. Edwin Rosario

1988

KO ****zine
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Ray Leonard
5. Jeff Fenech
6. Michael Nunn
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Jung Koo Chang
9. Buddy McGirt
10. Sumbu Kalambay

1989

1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling

1990

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy

1991

1. Julio Cesar Chavez (2)
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Riddock Bowe
7. James (Buddy) McGirt
8. Khaosai Galaxy
9. James Toney
10. Sung-Kil Moon

1992

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney

1993

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov

1994

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Orlando Canizales
4. Ricardo Lopez
5. Humberto Gonzalez
6. Frankie Randall
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Gerald McClellan
9. Miguel Angel Gonzalez
10. Kevin Kelley

1995

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Ricardo Lopez
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Felix Trinidad
6. Yuri Arbachakov
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Rid**** Bowe
9. Marco Antonio Barrera
10. Terry Norris

1996

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Oscar De La Hoya
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Junior Jones
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Terry Norris
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mark Johnson

1997

KO ****zine
1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Felix Trinidad
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Terry Norris
7. Junior Jones
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Ike Quartey
10. Mark Johnson

1998

1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
6. Shane Mosley
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Naseem Hamed
10. Johnny Tapia

1999

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Felix Trinidad
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Shane Mosley
6. Mark Johnson
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Erik Morales
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Stevie Johnston

2000

1. Shane Mosley
2. Felix Trinidad
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Diego Corrales
6. Naseem Hamed
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Erik Morales
10. Bernard Hopkins

2001

1. Shane Mosley
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Oscar De La Hoya
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Kostya Tszyu
10. Erik Morales

2002

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Vernon Forrest
5. Oscar De La Hoya
6. Kostya Tszyu
7. Erik Morales
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Shane Mosley

2003

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Shane Mosley
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Erik Morales
9. James Toney
10. Antonio Tarver

2004

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Kostya Tszyu
4. Ronald (Winky) Wright
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8. Erik Morales
9. Glen Johnson
10. Antonio Tarver

2005

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Ronald (Winky) Wright
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Erik Morales
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Jose Luis Castillo
10. Zab Judah

2006

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Ronald (Winky) Wright
4. Jermain Taylor
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Jose Luis Castillo
10. Joe Calzaghe

2007

Doug Fischer - Maxboxing.com
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Winky Wright

2008

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Ricky Hatton

2009

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Shane Mosley
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Miguel Cotto
8. Celestino Caballero
9. Chad Dawson
10. Paul Williams

2010

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Sergio Gabriel Martinez
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
7. Fernando Montiel
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Timothy Bradley
10. Juan Manuel Lopez

2011

1. Manny Pacquiao
2 .Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Sergio Gabriel Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Giovanni Segura
10. Andre Ward

[Jiggy White]

Based on that list Hagler is the most consistent fighter of the last 35 years.

[Humean]

Where would you place Harry Greb in the pantheon of middleweights?

Is the lack of footage an important factor for you?

Lack of footage is very important. You have to look at Mickey Walker and perhaps base his ability on him, as Greb was better than him. I doubt he'd be able to beat Monzon. No idea where I'd place Greb to be honest.

[Jiggy White]

I personally cannot believe that Pongsalek Wongjongkam makes it back to the p4p rankings after YEARS. under-rated legend.