Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[Toney616]

no, i mean was it fact he was on steroids in the harding fight and off in the harmon fight

No, its not a fact

The IBF wrote to him asking for a steroid test around the time he would of been in camp for the Harding fight. He never got back to them. About three weeks later they wrote another letter asking him again for a test. To the best of my knowledge he never gave it to them.


Jacob Hall told the IBF what is the point now? In no way does it change the previous positive result. Hall would then contact Levin and notify him that he was going to rule Jones-Hall a NC bout. That is when they cut a deal and the deal was that Jones would get tested for his next two fights. It would of been Harmon fight and who ever he fought after that.

[Vadrigar.]

Not really. A fighter going from an enhanced state to a natural state is not slipping, because that condition is reversible. Slipping is when the reflexes of an athlete (who is not using steroids) slows down.

When a fighter goes form enhanced to natural his performance slips. That's my point. Also you don't factually know what times he was on or off.

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The IBF wrote to him asking for a steroid test around the time he would of been in camp for the Harding fight. He never got back to them. About three weeks later they wrote another letter asking him again for a test. To the best of my knowledge he never gave it to them.

Jacob Hall told the IBF what is the point now? In no way does it change the previous positive result. Hall would then contact Levin and notify him that he was going to rule Jones-Hall a NC bout. That is when they cut a deal and the deal was that Jones would get tested for his next two fights. It would of been Harmon fight and who ever he fought after that.

I don't believe a commission can usurp another. Can you verify when ISAC tested Roy following the Hall fight? Did the Louisiana State Commission step aside? What were the results of this test? And more importantly...if Roy Jones was a long-time user as you mentioned, why then wouldn't he just continue to beat the test the way he did all of those other times?

[Toney616]

I don't have details because I didn't sit in a room with them.

In a previous thread when you were asked where you read about the HBO offer, this is what you said:

I don't recall where you can read it. It was actually mentioned by HBO during one of Jones' bouts and also during an interview with him prior to that same bout (Brannon?).

Jones only had one pre-fight press conference at smw and that was for Brannon at the end of 96

However, I have seen someone post Benn's comments on this, right here on boxingscene. This is where he mentions that he'd be willing to fight Roy for 10mil. Just run a search on Benn's name.

You then claim someone posted up comments on boxingscene.

In this thread you state the offer like its some kind of fact:

Benn was offered the fight in 1996. He turned it down. I think he even admitted he did but I'd have to look it up. I don't blame him though. By then, Benn was a spent force.

Which is it?

And posting Frank Warren's opinion on the matter isn't proof. We'll never know. I have no doubts that Benn would've liked to fight Jones. And to me, the idea that Jones "ducked" Benn because they never fought

And neither is comments on Boxingscene and a pre-fight talk which had NOTHING to do with the Benn-Jones fight negotiations proof either.

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In a previous thread when you were asked where you read about the HBO offer, this is what you said:

Jones only had one pre-fight press conference at smw and that was for Brannon at the end of 96

You then claim someone posted up comments on boxingscene.

In this thread you state the offer like its some kind of fact:

Which is it?


And neither is comments on Boxingscene and a pre-fight talk which had NOTHING to do with the Benn-Jones fight negotiations proof either.

Which is what? In 1996 or in 1996? Are you confused or something? You just asked me if I knew details of the negotiation. I don't. And in none of those comments do I claim I do. For the fifth time, my argument isn't that Benn ducked Jones. It's that Jones didn't duck Benn. What a promoter says - and what you want to believe - doesn't make it true.

[SplitSecond]

No, its not a fact

The IBF wrote to him asking for a steroid test around the time he would of been in camp for the Harding fight. He never got back to them. About three weeks later they wrote another letter asking him again for a test. To the best of my knowledge he never gave it to them.


Jacob Hall told the IBF what is the point now? In no way does it change the previous positive result. Hall would then contact Levin and notify him that he was going to rule Jones-Hall a NC bout. That is when they cut a deal and the deal was that Jones would get tested for his next two fights. It would of been Harmon fight and who ever he fought after that.

i've searched up an interview with hall on the situation, says roy was "very cooperative"


i dont know if that site is to be trusted tho

[Toney616]

I don't believe a commission can usurp another. Can you verify when ISAC tested Roy following the Hall fight?

JHALL:
We went back to Jones' attorney Fred Levin based on my comments and talk with Greg Serb. I said we would ask Roy to take a drug test on his next two fights and send those results to us, and that he (Roy) would make a charitable contribution to a local boxing club. They were very cooperative and they did those two things.

(Editor's Note: Ms. Muhammad is referring to the charitable contribution which was asked of Roy Jones, Jr. and which he submitted, in the form of a check for $250, dated Oct. 27, 2000, to the Indianapolis Police Athletic League).

2001-02-24 Derrick Harmon
2001-07-28 Julio Cesar Gonzalez

Did the Louisiana State Commission step aside? What were the results of this test? And more importantly...

Hall doesn't mention anything about the results, but if you read the above quote he tells you that Roy did the things requested of him

if Roy Jones was a long-time user as you mentioned, why then wouldn't he just continue to beat the test the way he did all of those other times?

He didnt have to beat the test seeing as how steroid testing didn't start in boxing until 2002

JHALL: Like I said in one of the interviews, the majority of the states do not do drug testing, so, since they don't do drug testing, there wasn't a lot of support to do much about it, and I don't believe there is a great concern about steroids by Commissioners at the present time, BUT it is an illegal substance.

FH: Boxing uses urinalysis to test fighters for illegal drugs, but when did the sport initially begin testing specifically for steroids?

Goodman: That was proposed by [Then-commissioner] Flip Homansky at the time, and I think that it started in 2001 as a pilot program. There was a time where fighters were being educated. So it was in 2001 that the individuals were notified, and then in 2002 the testing was actually begun more uniformly.

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2001-02-24 Derrick Harmon
2001-07-28 Julio Cesar Gonzalez


Hall doesn't mention anything about the results, but if you read the above quote he tells you that Roy did the things requested of him

He didnt have to beat the test seeing as how steroid testing didn't start in boxing until 2002

If no one in boxing was testing for steroids until 2002, how did he fail a test in 2000?

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If no one in boxing was testing for steroids until 2002, how did he fail a test in 2000?

BOXING; Routine Steroid Testing For Fighters in New York

Some states already test boxers for steroids but not regularly, said Jordan, who believes it is possible that other states might follow New York's lead. The rule will not apply to amateurs.

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Exactly, there are no unified rules when it comes to testing. In this instance, NY began testing in 2002. And again, what applies to Jones applies to everyone. Funny how as soon as they began testing a rash of people went under . There's no doubt in my mind Jones, Toney and most of their opponents were heavy juicers.