Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

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This is Jones one week into his camp for Ruiz
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There is no way that guy is putting on that much weight in another 5 weeks

The official weigh in
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He weighed in at 193. Which is the most he could of possibly done in the time period

unofficial weigh in
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Their is nothing stopping him from putting weights in his pocket to make it seem like he was heavier than he really was

You have two choices
one:
Jones and Mackie are telling the truth
The laws of nature dont apply to Jones

Two
Jones and Mackie are lying
The laws of nature apply to everyone


He put on 30 lbs. As I said before say 50% of it was fat, or even 60%, it doesn't matter, burning fat and muscle is harder than burning just muscle.

He had outgrown the lhw division and should of moved up post Jones III. Either way he was fine post Hopkins, just like Jones was fine post Tarver I. He looked fine during the first round of their fight.

If you are getting dropped by a straight left from De valle it only stands to reason that turning into a punch from a bigger fighter, like Tarver will at least drop you

Its not hard to burn muscle even at that age. Johnson was 42 when he dropped down to fight Green on short notice

When ever a fighter with a big ego loses a fight they make up excuses for why the loss doesn't really matter. Toney's was weight loss and so is Jones

It is what Jones did AFTER the weigh in for Tarver I that messed him up

I'm not a physical therapist. I'm offering a layman's opinion. And my opinion that the move to back down to 175 after gaining significant muscle at that advanced stage of his career certainly hampered him. It's not like he was in his prime here. He was already well past it, regardless of how impressive the victory over Ruiz was. Step back for a sec and read your post. Putting weights in pockets and he really wasn't that big (because you say so?) all because Roy knew ahead of time he'd need the excuse for the future KO less to Tarver? Come on, man.

[Dan...]

I'm not a physical therapist. I'm offering a layman's opinion. And my opinion that the move to back down to 175 after gaining significant muscle at that advanced stage of his career certainly hampered him. It's not like he was in his prime here. He was already well past it, regardless of how impressive the victory over Ruiz was. Step back for a sec and read your post. Putting weights in pockets and he really wasn't that big (because you say so?) all because Roy knew ahead of time he'd need the excuse for the future KO less to Tarver? Come on, man.

Haven't been in here for a while. I come in and this is the first thread I read. I think it will be another 6 months before I bother again.

Weights in pockets. Honestly, get a hold of yourself.

[Vadrigar.]

Highly unlikely

Why?.......

[Toney616]

Why?.......

He was done when he got busted for steroids.
He had clearly slipped a lot from the Harding fight (while he was refusing to let the IBF drug test). He had to come to an agreement with the Indiana state because they wanted to rule the Jones-Hall bout a NC. Post Ruiz he fought a better fighter and lost. It was only a matter of time before his lack of fundamentals caught up to him.

[Toney616]

Haven't been in here for a while. I come in and this is the first thread I read. I think it will be another 6 months before I bother again.

Weights in pockets. Honestly, get a hold of yourself.

Why dont you get a hold of yourself?

It is impossible for a guy to put on 14 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks. He weighed in on the official scale at 193 lbs. Mackie Shilstone told Hauser that Jones was 193 lbs on the day of the weigh in

The next day Jones weighs in at 199 lbs.

So why dont you explain the 6 lbs difference, if you can?

To the best of my knowledge, quite a few fighters have admitted weighing in with weights in their pockets

[Toney616]

I'm not a physical therapist. I'm offering a layman's opinion. And my opinion that the move to back down to 175 after gaining significant muscle at that advanced stage of his career certainly hampered him. It's not like he was in his prime here. He was already well past it, regardless of how impressive the victory over Ruiz was.

There are plenty of articles and forums to check this stuff up.

Step back for a sec and read your post. Putting weights in pockets and he really wasn't that big (because you say so?) all because Roy knew ahead of time he'd need the excuse for the future KO less to Tarver? Come on, man.

He weighed in at 193 lbs on the day of the official weigh in. The next day he weighs in at 199 lbs. Thats a difference of 6 lbs

As for the excuse, after the ko he said he had no excuses. Then he later said that he was not motivated to fight Tarver. Then he changed his mind again and said it was just a lucky punch.The whole weight loss thing came later on

[Toney616]

I think we're going in circles here. And your injecting a lot of opinion into the facts. Your opinion is that Jones avoided Nunn and that he avoided Tarver by moving up to heavyweight and then moving back down and fighting him twice? I don't agree with you.

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"There was a time when Roy Jones did not like the idea of having to face a southpaw and did not want to fight any of them"- Jim Lampley

But when Tarver had elevated himself to the IBF mandatory position in 2000, he had his promoter at the time Murad Muhammad write a letter questioning his attributes as the number one contender. Eventually, the IBF- which has had an ******uous relationship with Muhammad- acquiesced and forced Tarver into a box-off with Harding for the right to face Jones.

Its a fact that he avoided Nunn. And when you are writing letters to the sanctioning bodies questioning the attributes of worthy challengers than that is a duck. Sure he could of refused to fight Tarver again, but he would of got stripped by the WBC for not doing so. And when he was interviewed by Merchant he basically said himself that he didnt want to fight Tarver again.

[Vadrigar.]

He was done when he got busted for steroids.

You're saying that's the reason why his punch resistance decreased? That was my original statement.

How does getting busted for steroids make him "done"? steroids enhanced his performance.

He had clearly slipped a lot from the Harding fight (while he was refusing to let the IBF drug test).

How?

When was he refusing?

Assuming both statements are true it doesn't make sense. Refusing a drug tells you something, which contradicts slipping in the Harding fight.

Post Ruiz he fought a better fighter and lost.

Possibly a better fighter at that time.

It was only a matter of time before his lack of fundamentals caught up to him.

Age and the weight loss caught up with his athleticism.

[Toney616]

You're saying that's the reason why his punch resistance decreased? That was my original statement.

If you are getting dropped by a straight left from an exhausted Lou De Valle, the chances are that an overhand left from a naturally bigger man (Tarver) will at leat drop you.

When you are constantly getting caught by overhand rights from Glen Johnson, the chances are that those punches will eventually wear you down.

During the pre fight talk for Jones-Tarver 3, Manny Steward said that there are cases of fighters whose punch resistance has dropped after they have been koed twice in a row.

How does getting busted for steroids make him "done"? steroids enhanced his performance.

He had clearly slipped a step from the Harding fight to the Harmon fight. Natural Roy is not as amazing as Roided Roy

How?

His reflexes had slipped and he was getting tagged more than he usually did against C+ level fighters. Also his physique looked different, he wasnt as big as he was in the Harding fight

When was he refusing?

The first letter the IBF sent to Roy told him that he had to contact them so they could test him

He did not got back to them. So they sent him another letter

Muhammad: That's correct and there was also another one that Ms. Knight herself asked me to send... She asked me to send them, (the letters), I sent them. Then she herself sent one to ... it was directed to Roy Jones telling him that she hadn't heard from him about the results from Specimen B and that she was directing him to contact this office no later than the close of business on Friday, August 25, 2000.

why test the second specimen if he already admitted that he was taking a supplement. So they (IBF) chose not to do anything at that point, but the IBF could have taken some action. In the past they have taken action against some high profile fighters for failing drug tests.

Assuming both statements are true it doesn't make sense. Refusing a drug tells you something, which contradicts slipping in the Harmon fight.

He wasnt the same fighter. The guy who blasted out Johnson and Hall was not in the ring with Harmon that night. The agreement he had with the state of Indiana was that they were going to test him for two of his future fights. It would of been ****** for him to risk using steroids during that time

Possibly a better fighter at that time.

He gave Roy a beating in the first fight and could of koed him if he really went for it
Koed him in two rounds in the second fight
Beat him by wide ud and had him hurt badly during the 10 round (not sure which round exactly)

Tarver was the better fighter

Age and the weight loss caught up with his athleticism.

He was fine going into Tarver II. He repeatedly said that Tarver couldn't beat him when he was drained, so Tarver has no chance now thats his 100%. He looked fine to me during the first round of Tarver II, which is clearly won.

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There are plenty of articles and forums to check this stuff up.

He weighed in at 193 lbs on the day of the official weigh in. The next day he weighs in at 199 lbs. Thats a difference of 6 lbs

And? Therefore he could've just dropped the weight easy? Do you know when he began shedding weight? NO. Just stop.

As for the excuse, after the ko he said he had no excuses. Then he later said that he was not motivated to fight Tarver. Then he changed his mind again and said it was just a lucky punch.The whole weight loss thing came later on

Actually the weight was the first thing he mentioned during the interview with Larry right after the first fight ended.