Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[Toney616]

I don't have to. Again, I don't think like you. A fight may not come off for a number of reasons. More often than not, especially when dealing with elite fighters, it has nothing to do with "ducking" and everything to do with business.

Isn't this your previous posts accusing Benn of ducking?

I would have liked to have seen it as well. Nevertheless, I don't believe it was Jones' fault. In fact, I'd say it was the other guy who seemed unwilling.

Hence, Mr. Smith, I think it's time you rethink your whole "Jones avoided Benn" theory. Especially since you have three instances (I remember only one) of when the fight could have happened and one never existed while the other two lie squarely on the shoulders of the opposite guy and his team.

Benn turned down a career-high offer from HBO to fight and also quoted some ridiculous amounts ($10 mil). But even based on what you said, how do you possibly blame Jones?

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Isn't this your previous posts accusing Benn of ducking?

Do you see somewhere where I wrote ducked? For the third time...I don't think like you do. My argument isn't that Benn ducked Jones, no matter how many times you want it to be. My argument is that Jones didn't duck Benn. "Ducked" means something very different my friend. I doubt very much Benn even knew wtf was going on. Aside from what his promoters told him.

[Toney616]

Yet you can pinpoint how it affected Roy because he got caught less times and thus, must've used it more. SMH.

I said he clearly slipped a step after he was caught using them and he did

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I said he clearly slipped a step after he was caught using them and he did

You also said he clearly slipped because of steroids (or lack thereof?). Which is why I raised the Toney example.

[Toney616]

Do you see somewhere where I wrote ducked? For the third time...I don't think like you do. My argument isn't that Benn ducked Jones, no matter how many times you want it to be. My argument is that Jones didn't duck Benn. "Ducked" means something very different my friend.

You claim he turned down a career high purse and you place the blame on Benn saying he was reluctant - but at the same time thats not ducking?

I doubt very much Benn even knew wtf was going on. Aside from what his promoters told him.

Unless you know the nature of the relationship between Benn, King and Warren I can't really see how you can even mention something like this

[ghns1133]

LOL why did Roberto Duran fight:

Ray Lampkin
Monroe Brooks
Lou Bizzaro
Washed up Pipino Cueves
Leoncio Ortiz
Guts Ishimatsu

etc etc etc

Show me one fighter who fought nothing but top 5 contenders?

guts went on to win and defned a world title. monroe brooks was a solid welter jpurneymam

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You claim he turned down a career high purse and you place the blame on Benn saying he was reluctant - but at the same time thats not ducking?

Unless you know the nature of the relationship between Benn, King and Warren I can't really see how you can even mention something like this

Yeah, at the same time that's not ducking anymore than Roy Jones turning down a $8 million to fight Ruiz. The terms for the contract changed over 10 times in several months. Each time, the "he's ducking Ruiz" contingent grew louder and louder. For the fourth time, in my opinion, when a fighter turns down an offer or is hesitant to agree to a deal, it's almost always something to do with business and not some "fear" or "ducking."

[Toney616]

You also said he clearly slipped because of steroids (or lack thereof?). Which is why I raised the Toney example.

My reply to D33pwaters

He had clearly slipped a step from the Harding fight to the Harmon fight. Natural Roy is not as amazing as Roided Roy

As I said before it can't really be classed as a slip because you are comparing an enhanced athlete to a natural athlete. A slip can only be classed as one when you are comparing a natural athlete to a another point in time when he is still without peds in his system.

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My reply to D33pwaters

As I said before it can't really be classed as a slip because you are comparing an enhanced athlete to a natural athlete. A slip can only be classed as one when you are comparing a natural athlete to a another point in time when he is still without peds in his system.

Yeah but that applies to everyone who juiced. His greatest achievement is beating a James Toney who was caught juicing twice. Me personally, I believe both of them were long time juicers. I believe a lot of top fighters are. But that's neither here nor there. Regardless, we can't pretend to know when they juiced and when they didn't.

[Vadrigar.]

My reply to D33pwaters

As I said before it can't really be classed as a slip because you are comparing an enhanced athlete to a natural athlete. A slip can only be classed as one when you are comparing a natural athlete to a another point in time when he is still without peds in his system.

Well the point is, he basically slipped from how he used to perform, steroids or not.