Ali vs. Louis- Tale Of The Tape (Comparisons)

[LondonRingRules]

===========Louis's heart wasn't as great as Ali's, nor his Stamina. Id say Ali by KO in round 10 after a very tough fight, and Ali incurring significant damage in the process. If they were to have 3 fights i think its reasonable to suggest Louis would win 1.===============

** Well, it's reasonable for someone to make a case that Ali might win most of the fights, but it ain't reasonable to claim that Louis stamina and heart is inferior to Ali. Let's not forget that Ali wanted to quit the first Liston fight and the 3rd Frazier fight and was running on fumes in a few fights during his comeback. See Bonavena and Shavers fights as two examples.

Louis was fighting on ***** street the whole of the first Schmeling fight and had to climb off the deck repeatedly. The fact that he lasted the distance against Charles and made 8 rds against a killer, Marciano in Louis' "dotage" near the end of his career speaks volumes compared to the whispers Ali put on against Spinks and Holmes.

[Heckler]

There is no evidence to suggest he was going to give up these fights... You think the man that was willing to take a pounding from Foreman for 8 rounds would give up? in the last round? only 3 minutes left? His ego wouldn't let him do that... this is more Ali-hating propoganda that goes around. Ali has stated that he said he was considering giving up in the 15th round, he later stated he said that to be nice... which is more realistic then him giving up in the last round.... if he was going to give up he would of, he was sitting in his corner silent for along time. His ego would never allow him to give up. Joe louis's end of career was not affected by neurological disorder, nor did he take as much punishment as Ali in his younger years.

[Yogi]

There is no evidence to suggest he was going to give up these fights... this is more Ali-hating propoganda that goes around.

LOL!

Yeah, you tell them, Heckler...and curse the likes of Angelo Dundee, George Plimpton, Sports Illustrated, and even Ali himself for having the audacity to suggest he was going to give up in those fights.

[BKM-]

Joe Louis would KO him if Ali didn't go to the ropes like a scared little Bi***.

[butterfly1964]

Joe Louis would KO him if Ali didn't go to the ropes like a scared little Bi***.

if he fought '67 ali he couldn't hit him that much. we probably saw something close to ali-louis, which is ali-folley. folley fights alot like louis, only louis had more power, so ali might be hurt a little, but the end result would be similar to what happened against folley.

[butterfly1964]

Originally posted by butterfly1964:



That's just it, it's your opinion. You've seriously failed to address anyone's sincere points, evidences, and retorts. Even so, it's a pleasure having you here. Check out my Patterson vs. Tyson thread!

but i back up all my opinions with facts as well.

[Yogi]

if he fought '67 ali he couldn't hit him that much. we probably saw something close to ali-louis, which is ali-folley. folley fights alot like louis, only louis had more power, so ali might be hurt a little, but the end result would be similar to what happened against folley.

That is just plain silly, Butterfly.

[butterfly1964]

That is just plain silly, Butterfly.

how? both folley and louis were great counterpunchers, they both weren't too fast on their feet, and they fight similar. only louis had a great deal more power, so that is what made louis better.

[Yogi]

how? both folley and louis were great counterpunchers, they both weren't too fast on their feet, and they fight similar. only louis had a great deal more power, so that is what made louis better.

Mainly because as Ring ****zine puts it Folley "was nearly 35 and well past his prime when he finally fought for the crown against Ali."

[butterfly1964]

Mainly because as Ring ****zine puts it Folley "was nearly 35 and well past his prime when he finally fought for the crown against Ali."

the only thing that age did to folley is made him vulnerable in the later rounds, cause he would have that much endurance.

Now especially in the early rounds, the 34 year old folley will be dangerous!