Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[Scott9945]

Pacquiao is fighting at too high a level right now to even begin to place him in all time ratings. He could still go significantly up or down. JMO.

[New England]

I'm going to give the lame answer and say it's too early to give him any real ranking on such a scale, danhamza


he could, after all, lose and be exposed.


maybe bob arum pulled one last heist and built him in to somehting he's not with clever matchmaking. he looks magnificent trashing overmatched fighters (some of whom have been hall of famers, many of whom have been past their best days, docked cotto two crucial lbs, josh clottey was a zombie, etc)



it will, obviously, come down to who is rating.


right now, dan, i'd say 25 sounds like a good ballpark
i'd drive for the 25 mark, and then we can chip and put out in either direction at least a decade or so down the line after he finishes out his last few fights


i want to let this whole deal play out. i want to see what sort of fights he takes, and obviously their outcomes.

if he even takes a fight with martinez at a fair weight his stock goes up in my book. the man was a flyweight world champion. if he somehow beats him he's bumped up another notch.

[Quarry]

Robinson
Greb
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Moore
Wilde
Monzon
Ali
Louis
Pep
Whitaker
Gans
B.Leonard
R.Leoanrd
Gavilan
Arguello
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
Tunney
Mclarnin

That was the first 25 that came to my head that I listed. Who I feel are all greater than Manny Pacqiuao as it stands.

That's without; Duran, Ross, Walcott, and many others.

So yeah, I just can't see it, personally.

this is just IMO so from your list above based on boxing achievements i would rank Pacquiao ahead of
Greb
Langford
Charles
Moore
Wilde
Monzon
Pep
Whitaker
Gans
B.Leonard
R.Leonard
Gavilan
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Tunney
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
McLarnin
Duran
Walcott
Ross

8 world titles which could be 9 or more by the time he is finished in the sport, quality of opponents and his losing only one fight in 12yrs is really remarkable even in comparison to the great boxers listed above.

[JAB5239]

this is just IMO so from your list above based on boxing achievements i would rank Pacquiao ahead of
Greb
Langford
Charles
Moore
Wilde
Monzon
Pep
Whitaker
Gans
B.Leonard
R.Leonard
Gavilan
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Tunney
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
McLarnin
Duran
Walcott
Ross

8 world titles which could be 9 or more by the time he is finished in the sport, quality of opponents and his losing only one fight in 12yrs is really remarkable even in comparison to the great boxers listed above.

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[jrosales13]

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I'm laughing harder than what Jab is after that silly post.

[Quarry]

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maybe you can explain what any of those boxers achieved which surpasses what pacquiao has achieved

[Steak]

maybe you can explain what any of those boxers achieved which surpasses what pacquiao has achieved

Well, for starters you put Pacquiao over Duran, which is...impossible. Duran fought top competition from 130 to 168lbs, just as big a range as Pacquiao. He also his more wins over top competition, as well as having the better wins, most notably his win over Leonard is better than any win Pacquiao has by far.

you can make an argument for Pacquiao being above some of the guys you mentioned but...having Pacquiao above guys like Moore, Whitaker, and Duran is pretty crazy.

[JAB5239]

maybe you can explain what any of those boxers achieved which surpasses what pacquiao has achieved

Beating better competition *****s paper titles any day. I love Pac, he's great. But he's had the luxury of fighting in an era where there are 17 different weight classes that can provide up to 68 champions, and that doesn't include diamond belts, super champions, champions emeritus, interim champions etc., etc., etc.. When you compare that to 8 or 10 weight classes with one ONE champion in each it takes a lot of luster of those achievements.

[Quarry]

Beating better competition *****s paper titles any day. I love Pac, he's great. But he's had the luxury of fighting in an era where there are 17 different weight classes that can provide up to 68 champions, and that doesn't include diamond belts, super champions, champions emeritus, interim champions etc., etc., etc.. When you compare that to 8 or 10 weight classes with one ONE champion in each it takes a lot of luster of those achievements.

with all due respect you have not answered my question. regardless of how this sport has evolved and moved on over the last 100yrs or so, what Pacquiao has achieved is the equivalent of Jimmy Wilde moving through the weights in 1914 beating such fighters as Abe Atell, Johnny Kilbane, Packey McFarland, Battling Nelson & Sam Langford. with Harry Greb (F.Mayweather) then refusing to accept the challenge from Wilde. you just cannot comprehend Jimmy Wilde being able to achieve such an incredible feat yet that is what Manny Pacquiao has achieved and more.

[jrosales13]

with all due respect you have not answered my question. regardless of how this sport has evolved and moved on over the last 100yrs or so, what Pacquiao has achieved is the equivalent of Jimmy Wilde moving through the weights in 1914 beating such fighters as Abe Atell, Johnny Kilbane, Packey McFarland, Battling Nelson & Sam Langford. with Harry Greb (F.Mayweather) then refusing to accept the challenge from Wilde. you just cannot comprehend Jimmy Wilde being able to achieve such an incredible feat yet that is what Manny Pacquiao has achieved and more.

Meh....Pac is my favorite active fighter. But, like Black Irish said Duran did almost the same thing started at bantamweight ended at SMW. In the span of 3 decades and had better wins than Pac.

Jimmy McClarnin started near the flyweight limit went up all the way to WW. Dominated and KO'd better fighters than what Pac has faced.

To say that Pac accomplished more than those 2 and then include Greb and Langford 2 guys who have a case just as good as SRR to being considered the GOAT of all time is quite laughable.