Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis.

[CarlosG815]

I will dig out my old posts answering these questions Sonny, in the mean time why not put up a poll on whether I troll the boxing site. You actually said he was French Canadian not French the inference was obvious. I assume we have done with the Tony Zale bit? I will reply in a day or so in the mean time please post your "evidence" to your 8 points.

It is obvious as to why you will not respond to those 8 points and it is clear that it is because it is all true. You can not debate those 8 articles and if it were easy to do so, you would do it.

I'm sure you can find some way to twist facts but what's the point?

[RubenSonny]

Greatness is pretty vague.

Greatness as in who was the best in their prime?

Greatness as in who had the best resume?

Resume...

Yeah, I agree.

[GJC]

Tony Zale will be following this once you pluck-up the courage to make a fool of yourself by telling me which of the 8 points i have made for you that you disagree with and find to be false. you are now asking me for evidence when it is up to you to provide evidence to show the 8 points to be false. then i will completely expose you as the troll which you have always been by posting up a Tony Zale Topic.

Actually how it works is when you make a point which you say is a fact you supply those facts otherwise it is an opinion which you are of course entitled to. I will not respond today because I am busy I find it suprising that you deny that I have discussed these points with you before but when I have time I will search for the posts. This reply is for Carlos too who as he probably sits on your lap should be able to read it

[BigStereotype]

It is obvious as to why you will not respond to those 8 points and it is clear that it is because it is all true. You can not debate those 8 articles and if it were easy to do so, you would do it.

I'm sure you can find some way to twist facts but what's the point?

WOW. You have got a lot of nerve calling me a lapdog...do you wash his cars and do his laundry too?

Anyway, I've got it

1. Holyfield
2. Lewis
3. Tyson

This is purely based on resume. I think that Tyson could have beaten both of them in his prime...maybe. Lewis was always going to be a hard matchup for him because he's good at keeping range. Tyson could maybe do some damage, but I think that Lewis would have squeaked the decision. Holyfield's defense was too porous to close the gap on Lewis. Holyfield had a gigantic chin and heart but you eat too many of those right hands and it's not a question of heart. You're put to sleep. But Lewis beat just about everyone other than Bowe in his time, gotta give him the nod. And no, sonny, I'm not going to argue this with you. I just wanted to get my two cents in, not prove to the world what a fraud Lennox is.

[pacquia0]

WOW. You have got a lot of nerve calling me a lapdog...do you wash his cars and do his laundry too?

Anyway, I've got it

1. Holyfield
2. Lewis
3. Tyson

This is purely based on resume. I think that Tyson could have beaten both of them in his prime...maybe. Lewis was always going to be a hard matchup for him because he's good at keeping range. Tyson could maybe do some damage, but I think that Lewis would have squeaked the decision. Holyfield's defense was too porous to close the gap on Lewis. Holyfield had a gigantic chin and heart but you eat too many of those right hands and it's not a question of heart. You're put to sleep. But Lewis beat just about everyone other than Bowe in his time, gotta give him the nod. And no, sonny, I'm not going to argue this with you. I just wanted to get my two cents in, not prove to the world what a fraud Lennox is.

How has lewis got a better resume than Tyson?

How is Lewis going to keep Tyson at range? when he couldnt even do that with Mcall or Rahman. Lewis doesnt have the jab of Holmes or Spinks and they both werent able to keep Tyson at range and squeek a decison.

How is Lewis going to put a prime Holyfield to sleep? when he didnt come close to putting a shot Holyfield to sleep. Holyfield in his prime was never stopped. Holyfield went to war with Bowe 2x without getting stopped. Even in their 3rd fight where Holyfield was in no condition to fight was able to close that gap on Bowe and almost KO him.

How did Lewis beat just about everyone?

[BigStereotype]

How has lewis got a better resume than Tyson?

How is Lewis going to keep Tyson at range? when he couldnt even do that with Mcall or Rahman. Lewis doesnt have the jab of Holmes or Spinks and they both werent able to keep Tyson at range and squeek a decison.

How is Lewis going to put a prime Holyfield to sleep? when he didnt come close to putting a shot Holyfield to sleep. Holyfield in his prime was never stopped. Holyfield went to war with Bowe 2x without getting stopped. Even in their 3rd fight where Holyfield was in no condition to fight was able to close that gap on Bowe and almost KO him.

How did Lewis beat just about everyone?

The only one I'm really interested in debating is Lewis-Holyfield. The rest are so ****ing played out. But you're right, maybe Holyfield wouldn't get put to sleep. I thought that prime Holyfield would be more interested in brawling and out-manning Lewis than past-it Holyfield who was much more of a spoiler type fighter. I still think that. But I may have underestimated his chin just a bit, you're right. Still think Lewis wins it on clean, effective punching.

[CarlosG815]

How has lewis got a better resume than Tyson?

How is Lewis going to keep Tyson at range? when he couldnt even do that with Mcall or Rahman. Lewis doesnt have the jab of Holmes or Spinks and they both werent able to keep Tyson at range and squeek a decison.

How is Lewis going to put a prime Holyfield to sleep? when he didnt come close to putting a shot Holyfield to sleep. Holyfield in his prime was never stopped. Holyfield went to war with Bowe 2x without getting stopped. Even in their 3rd fight where Holyfield was in no condition to fight was able to close that gap on Bowe and almost KO him.

How did Lewis beat just about everyone?

Don't even bother, the kid talks out of his ass every time he open's his mouth. Go and read about his take on the legendary Jack Dempsey in the fantasy fights section for all you need to know about his opinion or what he could possibly be seeing while he is "watching boxing" as he calls it.

[CarlosG815]

WOW. You have got a lot of nerve calling me a lapdog...do you wash his cars and do his laundry too?

Anyway, I've got it

1. Holyfield
2. Lewis
3. Tyson

This is purely based on resume. I think that Tyson could have beaten both of them in his prime...maybe. Lewis was always going to be a hard matchup for him because he's good at keeping range. Tyson could maybe do some damage, but I think that Lewis would have squeaked the decision. Holyfield's defense was too porous to close the gap on Lewis. Holyfield had a gigantic chin and heart but you eat too many of those right hands and it's not a question of heart. You're put to sleep. But Lewis beat just about everyone other than Bowe in his time, gotta give him the nod. And no, sonny, I'm not going to argue this with you. I just wanted to get my two cents in, not prove to the world what a fraud Lennox is.

By what are you basing this on? Didn't you learn your lesson before when you tried to claim it had something to do with Sonny that I said Jack Dempsey would beat Sonny Liston, then you said you didn't know any sources who claimed Dempsey to be the greatest they ever saw aside from "My idol Sonny" when it was not the case at all?

So because I know that Lennox avoided all top contenders and never fought a top name in the prime of their career, I am a lapdog? Get a clue, douchebag, now you are just trying to take any cheap shot that you can toward me but the problem is that it is not going to work because the 8 facts that he listed cannot be disputed and that is why GJC has chosen not to respond but has made several other responses.

It would be like asking me:

Did Mike Tyson not have a terribly short prime of 3-5 years?

The difference is, even though I am a fan of Tyson, I can admit that he had shortcomings and his short prime was one, whereas these Lennox Lewis lovers can not admit to any of his faults and they refuse to see what is right in front of them because for whatever reason they love him.

I love how you talk about "resume" like you would even begin to know what warrants a good one or not. You're a joke, kid, and you don't know anything of Tyson or Lewis' career. I'll go out on a limb and guess that you could tell me as much about Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield as you could about Dempsey, and as you said "I don't know of any sources who blah blah about Dempsey" when there are many, which shows how limited your knowledge is of anything that you speak about.

edit: And I also like how you show me another example of how you jump on the bandwagon of the order of which fighters were chosen and how you have jumped on the bandwagon to be agreeable with the majority of those in this thread who will protect Lewis yet attack Sonnyboy and me and I know that the reason is you are simply on the bandwagon with the general consensus. I know this because I know that you do not have the knowledge to come to that conclusion on your own so you will read others opinions and subscribe to the one with the most followers.

[CarlosG815]

I am in Michigan, and Sonny is in the UK, I would have to had left last week to get his dry cleaning on time, so we do have time to debate. Or were you trying to be funny? Nice try. You tell jokes about as well as you talk boxing.

[BigStereotype]

I am in Michigan, and Sonny is in the UK, I would have to had left last week to get his dry cleaning on time, so we do have time to debate. Or were you trying to be funny? Nice try. You tell jokes about as well as you talk boxing.

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