Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis.

[GJC]

my comments on Lewis are all justified and can be debated whereas your comments and hatred of the great Tony Zale are laughable, you seem to go against everything the guy achieved in his entire career even claiming he was not worthy enough to be inducted into the hall of fame

Zale is totally off topic but if you wish to take this off subject in a personal way lets go.


A post of mine illustrating my hatred of Tony Zale

Would have thought that Homicide Hank would have been mentioned by now. Tony Zale is worth a mention too and Archie Moore's body work get overlooked I think.
Some good names mentioned so far though

A thread where we conversed about Zale which I've even left my typo in about him beating Conn!

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My problem with Zale is that if you look at some of the fighters that were active in his era:
Sugar Ray Robinson
Ezzard Charles
Charley Burley
Jake La Motta
Lloyd Marshall
Rocky Graziano
Tony Zale
Marcel Cerdan
Cocoa Kid
Al Hostak
George Abrams
Jack Chase
Fritzie Zivic
Eddie Booker
Holman Williams
Archie Moore

there are an awful lot missing from his resume and i'll happily debate anyone on that score. I'll accept that the war did cut into his career but pre war he missed a hell of a lot of fighters and whilst he did get caught up in the Graziano trilogy he did have a dozen fights other than Rocky and Cerdan so he was pretty active.
If you want to accuse Lewis of cherry picking opponents I would suggest that Zale would not be the fighter to use as a comparison. If I used your logic it would be very easy to drive a coach and horses through Zale's wjhole career but as I respect Zale as I do all men who lace up the gloves I wont sink to your level.
As for me claiming Zale isn't worthy to be in the hall of fame you will have to show me that post, if you can of course. Personally I dont hold much stock in the hall of fame and expect in time that every fighter who has ever held any version of a title will get in it.

Getting back to Zale to summarise I don't put him in a top 10 of atg of middleweight as I don't believe his resume makes him a top 5 MW of his era.
If you wish to start a thread championing Zale, who I do have a lot of respect for, i'll happily use my minimal boxing knowledge to chop him down in your style.

[GJC]

3/. Lewis v Bowe Olympic final was a bazaar stoppage after Bowe was warned 15 times by the referee

GJC i won't be surprised if you now go missing for awhile

Don't really have the energy to go over all this again, agree with my take or not I think you'll agree that I (along with many others) have replied to your points on several occassions?

Totally agree with you on point 3 though as I posted in your thread below, I did point out though that the referee was East German as cleary mentioned in the commentary of the video you posted you unfortunately disappeared from that thread

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[madmadworld]

He certainly did not have a glass jaw or he would have been put down a hell of a lot more and lost by tko/ko a lot more...

Lets be honest here Lewis did not focus on the first Rahman fight enough got ****y and hit with a massive shot and got took out.. it happens when you have 250lb guys hitting each other.

Floyd Patterson? You may have heard of him.

really
he held on to the belt for only 4 fights
and got up 7 times when he lost it.
you would never see these two get up 7 times
if you say so

by the way thats a great Reagan Quote

[StarshipTrooper]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice then grew a vagina on his face.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of growing a vagina on his face.

vaginas grown on face

Vitali 1
Lewis 0

Lewis was exhausted from turning Vitali's face into a *** organ.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight because, hey, everyone loves puzzy on their faces.

Lewis promised Vitali another facial vagina.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson because he was embaressed by having a vagina on his face.

Lewis turned down 30 million dollars because he knew Vitali would retire on his stool like a coward like he did with Byrd.

Vitali dominated with vagisil and scared his face vagina into retirement.

Lewis is scared to death of getting a yeast infection from Vitali's face vagina.

Glad to see you telling like it is :allhail9:

[StarshipTrooper]

[madmadworld]

Lewis was coming off the KO win over Tyson. In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"

In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years"

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement.

GREAT post
Lewis way over rated around here

[DeepSleep]

Greatness is pretty vague.

Greatness as in who was the best in their prime?

Greatness as in who had the best resume?

[GJC]

GJC what you mean by "you don't have the energy to go over it again" is that you don't have anything to prove my points as incorrect, never have you debated any of my points all you have ever said is that "i am a hater".. the bottom line is that you know i am correct with those points i have raised and like all Lewis fans you want those points erased from Lewis career profile and get annoyed by someone who brings up those points.... you made a statement against me and now that i addressed that statement you have "Chickened-Out"... so i ask you once again which of the accusations i made against Lewis for you do you disagree with, because these points are crucial to this topic when we try to debate who is the greater Tyson, Holyfield or Lewis.

So you are saying that I have never made any posts arguing your points?
Have you watched the video and now admit you made that bit up about the refereee being Canadian?

[bojangles1987]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Yeah, I agree.

[GJC]

i was under the impression the guy was French unto you corrected me but it was no big deal... answer my question i put to you GJC which of these 8 points do you disagree with which you claim me me out to be a "Lewis Hater" and stop avoiding the issue like you have for the last few years.

1/. Lewis was stripped of his titles for avoiding the No1 contenders.
2/. Lewis beat Tyson when Tyson was a shell of his former self.
3/. Lewis v Bowe Olympic final was a bazaar stoppage after Bowe was warned 15 times by the referee
4/. Lewis turned down career high paydays in the 90s against Bowe in 95 & Tyson in 96
5/. Lewis was fortunate to get the verdict in his rematch with Holyfield
6/. Holyfield was past it when Lewis fought him in late 1999 and was on the downslide.
7/. Lewis got poleaxed by 2 journeymen fighters
8/. Lewis avoided Holmes 93, Moorer 94, Tyson 96, Bowe 95, Ruiz 00, Byrd 01, Vitali 03 and only fought fighters who was on the downside of their career and none who was at the top of their game.

Because if you don't answer then it is obvious you are trolling on this site and have no interest in debating the sport of boxing.

I will dig out my old posts answering these questions Sonny, in the mean time why not put up a poll on whether I troll the boxing site. You actually said he was French Canadian not French the inference was obvious. I assume we have done with the Tony Zale bit? I will reply in a day or so in the mean time please post your "evidence" to your 8 points.