Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis.

[Holtol]

Make it 3 times...

-Holyfield never beat Lewis
-Tyson never beat Lewis

Everything else is make-believe and speculation.

So if Lewis came out of retirement and was beat by David Haye would you think Haye was a better fighter then Lewis in his prime? Do you people think I am this ****** that you can tell me that Lewis beat Holyfield and Tyson so he was allways the better fighter? LMAO!

It's not like that never crossed my mind its well known that Lewis beat Tyson and Holyfield. Some of you have a firm grasp on the obvious I will give you that. The second fight Holyfield did not really lose imo. Holyfield made far better adjustments then Lewis in the second fight. Because he was a smarter boxer even though Lewis would go on and on about how he was like a chess master at boxing.

[Jim Jeffries]

Make it 3 times...

-Holyfield never beat Lewis
-Tyson never beat Lewis

Everything else is make-believe and speculation.

Quite a few people thought a past prime Holyfield beat a prime Lewis in the rematch. Rather difficult to convince those people (and more) that a prime Evander couldn't do better (beat Lewis more convincingly.)

No sane person thinks that Williams or McBride stand a chance in hell against a prime Tyson. Or that Mike's fight with Lewis meant any more than a record payday for Lennox.

[Joeyzagz]

Quite a few people thought a past prime Holyfield beat a prime Lewis in the rematch. Rather difficult to convince those people (and more) that a prime Evander couldn't do better (beat Lewis more convincingly.)

The only way Evander has a shot against Lennox/Bowe type guys is with boring, stingy, tit-for-tat offense, and this will produce an ambiguous SD win at best. He is not beating anyone of these guys convincingly, regardless of prime.

-When he tried to throw with Bowe, he got knocked on his ass.

-When he tried to **** with Lewis, he was outlanded 348 to 130.

Evander is good, but against an elite superheavyweight you need elite power. These guys dont lose Unanimous decisions.

[StarshipTrooper]

Evander is good, but against an elite superheavyweight you need elite power. These guys dont lose Unanimous decisions.

You're being a size whore again :rolleyes9:

[SBleeder]

I watched many of Tyson's fights before he ever lost, I was young but I still knew how great Tyson was. In 1990 I was 14 years old and very shocked that Tyson had lost. Tyson was one of the most ferocious and gifted fighters I have ever seen. I was actully afraid of Tyson, he struck fear in me. Like he did all his opponents, because he was that good.

Fine, but my question was "what did he do"? Looking ferocious and dominant against bus drivers isn't impressive to me. Against the more talented opposition that he faced in his prime, he looked very average at best (Tillis, Tucker, Douglas, Ruddock). None of his early knockouts convince me that he'd do well against great fighters.

[Holtol]

Fine, but my question was "what did he do"? Looking ferocious and dominant against bus drivers isn't impressive to me. Against the more talented opposition that he faced in his prime, he looked very average at best (Tillis, Tucker, Douglas, Ruddock). None of his early knockouts convince me that he'd do well against great fighters.

Tyson did more during the 80's then Lewis did in his entire carreer. Boxing is something that people think is not appreciated by many people. There is as much energy in boxing as a Hollywood industry. All it needs is pratitioners that are alive to bring it alive. Watch Tyson then watch Lewis, now watch Tyson again. That should be enough to cure you of your malady, but it won't. Good bye, Good night, Enjoy watching the likes of Lewis.

[StarshipTrooper]

Tyson did more during the 80's then Lewis did in his entire carreer. Boxing is something that people think is not appreciated by many people. There is as much energy in boxing as a Hollywood industry. All it needs is pratitioners that are alive to bring it alive. Watch Tyson then watch Lewis, now watch Tyson again. That should be enough to cure you of your malady, but it won't. Good bye, Good night, Enjoy watching the likes of Lewis.

While I agree with you that Tyson is a better fighter than Lewis I don't think you can base it on their respective entertainment value. Entertaining does not a great fighter make. Arturo Gatti was entertaining as hell.....but not a great fighter. Roy Jones was constantly pilloried in his prime for being boring.....but someone would have to have rocks in their head if they don't think he was one of the greats.

Poet

[Holtol]

While I agree with you that Tyson is a better fighter than Lewis I don't think you can base it on their respective entertainment value. Entertaining does not a great fighter make. Arturo Gatti was entertaining as hell.....but not a great fighter. Roy Jones was constantly pilloried in his prime for being boring.....but someone would have to have rocks in their head if they don't think he was one of the greats.

Poet

I found Tyson entertaining because he was a very good boxer. Gatti I found entertaining for his great punch resistance. I am trying to exsplain to someone why I think Tyson would beat Lewis. Maybe you can exsplain it better, I would not be surpriesed.

[StarshipTrooper]

I found Tyson entertaining because he was a very good boxer. Gatti I found entertaining for his great punch resistance. I am trying to exsplain to someone why I think Tyson would beat Lewis. Maybe you can exsplain it better, I would not be surpriesed.

I'd put it this way: Prime Tyson was significantly faster than Prime Lewis both in foot speed and hand speed. Tyson had a much more well rounded offensive skill set, and took a MUCH better punch. Lewis' advantage of reach is only an advantage if he can use it to keep Tyson from slipping inside of it. Lennox' range finder of a jab isn't going to do it and he isn't going to land enough right hands to make up the difference. There's simply too many things that Tyson does better than Lewis and Lewis' strengths just aren't enough to counter-balance it.

Lewis is certainly a good enough fighter to be competitive. If he and Tyson fought five times I could see Lennox snagging a win or two. But to favor him? No way. Anyone who posts on here ought to know I'm a critic of Tyson (mostly because of the inflated view of him some of his slavish fans have), but there's no denying the dude was a great fighter (even if not quite so great as some think). That being said, Lennox isn't a scrub as some make out: I don't think he quite makes the cut for ATG status, but the guy was near-great and that's no shabby status either.

So ultimately, should Tyson win that matchup? Absolutely. Do I think it would be a competitive matchup? Yes I do. Is it possible Tyson sparkes Lennox out quick? Sure, that's always a possibility given the combination of Mike's punch and Lewis' chin. Could Tyson be a bit off and Lennox pops him from the outside all night long and wins a UD? Sure, that's always a possibility when one guy has a big reach advantage. Is it likely? 60/40 no.

Does that help or did I just confuse the issue? :chuckle9:

Poet

[Holtol]

I'd put it this way: Prime Tyson was significantly faster than Prime Lewis both in foot speed and hand speed. Tyson had a much more well rounded offensive skill set, and took a MUCH better punch. Lewis' advantage of reach is only an advantage if he can use it to keep Tyson from slipping inside of it. Lennox' range finder of a jab isn't going to do it and he isn't going to land enough right hands to make up the difference. There's simply too many things that Tyson does better than Lewis and Lewis' strengths just aren't enough to counter-balance it.

Lewis is certainly a good enough fighter to be competitive. If he and Tyson fought five times I could see Lennox snagging a win or two. But to favor him? No way. Anyone who posts on here ought to know I'm a critic of Tyson (mostly because of the inflated view of him some of his slavish fans have), but there's no denying the dude was a great fighter (even if not quite so great as some think). That being said, Lennox isn't a scrub as some make out: I don't think he quite makes the cut for ATG status, but the guy was near-great and that's no shabby status either.

So ultimately, should Tyson win that matchup? Absolutely. Do I think it would be a competitive matchup? Yes I do. Is it possible Tyson sparkes Lennox out quick? Sure, that's always a possibility given the combination of Mike's punch and Lewis' chin. Could Tyson be a bit off and Lennox pops him from the outside all night long and wins a UD? Sure, that's always a possibility when one guy has a big reach advantage. Is it likely? 60/40 no.

Does that help or did I just confuse the issue? :chuckle9:

Poet

Thats a good way of exsplaining why Tyson would beat Lewis, thanks Poet. What I was trying to exsplain was a little messed up. I admit I have had to much to drink have a nice night.