ATG Heavies who were KO'd early...

[young_robbed]

Neither are ATG's especially Vitali who 0 very good wins on his resume

David Haye will probably be the biggest name on there if they beat him and that says a lot in my view..

who's the hottie in your avatar

[Holtol]

UHHH spoken like a guy who types about boxing all day and doesnt actually fight or hit bags or mitts



huge sale
fire sale, actially


larger men throw harder punches as the general rule
largerr men take better punches as the general rule

you dont even need to box to understand what i'm talking about (though it helps)

go punch the biggest guy in the bar
then the smallest

and compare the damage

then take the best shot of the biggest guy in the bar
and then the smallest
and compare the damage


go around to a bunch of bars and compare your results and you'll actually be doing research instead of just spitting purple nonsense over a computer




truely exceptional athletes can posess tremendous punching power that can bend these rules (smaller guys punching harder than outright larger guys)

but they are not the standard


if you dont think bigger men throw and take better punches you dont have A CLUE what you are talking about


why the **** does our sport have weigth classes?

Why don't two of the biggest boxers in history in Wladimir and Lewis have the best chins in history?

Why didn't Valuve simply punch Holyfields head into orbit?

Why have their been so few good heavyweights over 250 pounds?

[fight_professor]

Floyd Patterson is an ATG who was sparked periodically, esp by Liston.

[StarshipTrooper]

Floyd Patterson is an ATG who was sparked periodically, esp by Liston.

You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger Patterson fan than me but I'm sorry, Floyd was NOT an ATG.

Poet

[fight_professor]

You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger Patterson fan than me but I'm sorry, Floyd was NOT an ATG.

Poet

First 2* champ, then youngest champ?

Floyd may not rank so highly h2h, but by overall achievement, that makes a great list.

[StarshipTrooper]

First 2* champ, then youngest champ?

Floyd may not rank so highly h2h, but by overall achievement, that makes a great list.

Winning it twice means he lost it twice. Next. I'd point out that Wilfred Benitez won a world title at age 17 but that ISN'T what makes him an ATG.

Poet

[fight_professor]

Let us agree to disagree mate. I regard FP as an ATG, he had silky skills and achieved quite a bit.

[StarshipTrooper]

he had silky skills and achieved quite a bit.

And lacked the chin to be an ATG.

Poet

[Kid McCoy]

[Jim Jeffries]

I think Patterson could've been an ATG LHW and an argument can be made that he was an (maybe top 100) ATG for what he achieved at HW in spite of his diminutive size. But I wouldn't classify him as an ATG HW, though perhaps an argument can be made for him cracking a top 20 ATG HW list.