The greatest fighters of each nation.

[StarshipTrooper]

You imply that it's easy to get US citizenship. It's not. Millions of illegal Mexican immigrants will testify to that.

And if you want to classify boxers according to your personal rules that almost no one else in the world accepts, including absolutely no sporting bodies, then that just makes you a contrarian, but in the context of boxing history it's pointless. If a classification has no general support then it's useless. All classifications have to be based on a reasonable level of concensus in order to be of any use.

And if Viktor Kortchnoi came up to me and said "I'm Swiss" I would say "no you're not your as Russian as Wlad *****". Again, I prefer common sense of legalisms.....by the way, in sane world all lawyers would be shot for just that sort of legalistic ****picking.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Ok bro. I am gonna give this one more try because you are seemingly a bit slow on the uptake...

I don't care whether there is a fighter from NZ listed or not. In fact, I would rather you left it blank than make a ridiculous choice in an effort to look impressive to those of us who aren't historians. When I asked you about your pick, you didn't have anything remotely resembling a credible reason and changed tack, choosing to get aggressive (it's the internet and you're in your 40's. Cong****) and attempting to pick a fight where there isn't one.

PS. I only poked fun at your lack of proof reading because you had arrogantly told a different poster to try reading because he was unaware of an Australian boxer on your list.

Kia Kaha bro

I deleted my original response to this post as you're not a bad guy and I was being way too sharp with you.

Poet

[Jeff Da Maori]

I deleted my original response to this post as you're not a bad guy and I was being way too sharp with you.

Poet

No offence taken Poet, I apologise for saying you're a bit slow when you're clearly streets ahead of the majority in here.

[StarshipTrooper]

No offence taken Poet, I apologise for saying you're a bit slow when you're clearly streets ahead of the majority in here.

No problemo! I can get wickedly sharp-tongued when I get my juices going.....and as I said my apologies for the red K!

Poet

[Dave Rado]

And if Viktor Kortchnoi came up to me and said "I'm Swiss" I would say "no you're not your as Russian as Wlad *****". Again, I prefer common sense of legalisms.....by the way, in sane world all lawyers would be shot for just that sort of legalistic ****picking.

Poet

No one is going to come to you and say they're anything. But he's the Swiss National Champion, whether you like it or not. And no lawyers were involved. No lawyers were involved in the decision to allow Navratilova to represent the US either. And no lawyers were involved in the decisions by boxrec and Wikipedia and all boxing historians that I know of to classify Tua as a New Zealander.

And you haven't addressed the point that your or my personal opinion is irrelevant when it comes to historical classifications, and that all such classifications have to be based on concensus in order to be of any use.

[StarshipTrooper]

No one is going to come to you and say they're anything. But he's the Swiss National Champion, whether you like it or not. And no lawyers were involved. No lawyers were involved in the decision to allow Navratilova to represent the US either. And no lawyers were involved in the decisions by boxrec and Wikipedia and all boxing historians that I know of to classify Tua as a New Zealander.

And you haven't addressed the point that your or my personal opinion is irrelevant when it comes to historical classifications, and that all such classifications have to be based on concensus in order to be of any use.

C O M M O N S E N S E is the only standard I care about: Whether there's a consensus about is irrelivent to me. Common sense used to be just that: Common. Nowadays it's in short supply. What you're referring to is their LEGAL status.....which I could care less about. You can LEGALLY indict a ham sandwich.....but it doesn't make common sense to do so.

Poet

[JAB5239]

I deleted my original response to this post as you're not a bad guy and I was being way too sharp with you.

Poet

No offence taken Poet, I apologise for saying you're a bit slow when you're clearly streets ahead of the majority in here.

Thanks for getting back on track fella's.

[Dave Rado]

C O M M O N S E N S E is the only standard I care about: Whether there's a consensus about is irrelivent to me. Common sense used to be just that: Common. Nowadays it's in short supply. What you're referring to is their LEGAL status.....which I could care less about. You can LEGALLY indict a ham sandwich.....but it doesn't make common sense to do so.

Poet

What you call common sense is actually just your personal opinion and nothing to do with common sense in any objective meaning of the phrase. My and most other people's common sense tells me and them that Navratilova is a Czech-American. I'm not saying my common sense is right and yours is wrong, but you're saying the opposite, which is very arrogant of you. It's nothing to do with common sense in any objective sense of the phrase. It's just your or my opinion. And when it comes to history, personal opinions are irrelevant. Historical classifications are and have to be based on consensus, and the consensus is that Navratilova is a Czech-American.

[Scott9945]

That would make all Pueto Ricans Americans as all Pueto Ricans automatically hold US citizenship. Anyone want to claim Benitez as a US fighter? You can over complicate this stuff if you like but I choose not to.....The place you're born is the place you're from. Lennox Lweis is a Brit not a Candian ect.

Poet

Since you brought it up, Wilfredo Benitez was actually born in New York, NY.

[Dave Rado]

Since you brought it up, Wilfredo Benitez was actually born in New York, NY.

LOL! Good catch!