My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[RockyMarcianofan00]

do you honestly think that it would take 13 rounds for liston to beat jersey joe walcott? or 9 rounds to fininsh archie moore? liston would knock them all out in one round! also, liston would not have to knock down luis firpo nine times in order for him to stay down. or knock down jess willard 15 times, and dempsey didn't really even knock him out, he quit on his stool. and just because abe somon and buddy baer were 250+ doesn't mean they had good chins.

put him in marciano's shoes yea

Proof:
Ok this has nothing to do with chin or how much good a boxer the opponent is so don't even use that- has liston broken anyones arms in the ring with just punches, how bout clood clots in the arms. Now the boxer could be really good but if he blocks alot of hard shots that will happen. Has Liston ever made someone vomit blood, or piss blood for weeks. That really has nothing to do with how good there body is thats how strong the punch is. It busts up the inner organs.

none of those things had to do with chin or how good a boxer someone was or how good ther body was, that was punching power. any of those things could have happened to ali if he got hit with hard enough punches, liston never did that.

Also just because Liston is over 200+ lbs doesn't mean he hits hard, Also lets see a not prime Liston fought a before prime clay, he wasn't completely mature he was fast but not as strong as he would be later, Liston lands a few good shots and Clay is wollbled, ok well lets see early Ali's entire figthing was based on stick and move because he had such amazing speed. Later like when frazier fought ali, ali's speed was gone, and Ali knew it so he based his stradgy more on counter punching and being able to take a punch. I believe Ali in the 70's could take a much harder punch then Clay of 60's. Think about the clay that fought Liston would never be able to stand up to the blows of Foreman so the fact that you say because Liston rocked a young clay doesn't mean anything because clay couldn't take as hard a punch

[Kid Achilles]

By your logic, Ingemar Johansson was much more powerful than Liston as he KO'ed Machen in one round while Liston had to settle for a decision.

[butterfly1964]

put him in marciano's shoes yea

Proof:
Ok this has nothing to do with chin or how much good a boxer the opponent is so don't even use that- has liston broken anyones arms in the ring with just punches, how bout clood clots in the arms. Now the boxer could be really good but if he blocks alot of hard shots that will happen. Has Liston ever made someone vomit blood, or piss blood for weeks. That really has nothing to do with how good there body is thats how strong the punch is. It busts up the inner organs.

none of those things had to do with chin or how good a boxer someone was or how good ther body was, that was punching power. any of those things could have happened to ali if he got hit with hard enough punches, liston never did that.

Also just because Liston is over 200+ lbs doesn't mean he hits hard, Also lets see a not prime Liston fought a before prime clay, he wasn't completely mature he was fast but not as strong as he would be later, Liston lands a few good shots and Clay is wollbled, ok well lets see early Ali's entire figthing was based on stick and move because he had such amazing speed. Later like when frazier fought ali, ali's speed was gone, and Ali knew it so he based his stradgy more on counter punching and being able to take a punch. I believe Ali in the 70's could take a much harder punch then Clay of 60's. Think about the clay that fought Liston would never be able to stand up to the blows of Foreman so the fact that you say because Liston rocked a young clay doesn't mean anything because clay couldn't take as hard a punch

liston would have done those same things and worse if he used those small gloves that marciano used and was weak enough so that his opponent wouldn't get knocked out with the first punch he threw soas to give him enough time to do that.

[butterfly1964]

By your logic, Ingemar Johansson was much more powerful than Liston as he KO'ed Machen in one round while Liston had to settle for a decision.

machen boxed around liston.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

liston would have done those same things and worse if he used those small gloves that marciano used and was weak enough so that his opponent wouldn't get knocked out with the first punch he threw soas to give him enough time to do that.

What? Liston up until about the early 60's used the same gloves Marciano used, and then he went up to 12oz but only for some fights. You do realize even today the standard glove for a professional fight is 10oz which has been use since the time of Marciano. so by saying the 2 oz made that much of a difference because even if he didn't break their arms he should have at least given them internal bleeding or something.

Even so i don't even think he used 12oz gloves that much

Marciano and Liston both used 10oz gloves

[Kid Achilles]

Walcott boxed around Marciano.

[butterfly1964]

Walcott boxed around Marciano.

walcott still got hit alot and took the punches. he couldn't take liston's punches.

[Kid Achilles]

Machen still got hit by Liston's punches, and yet he went the distance. Yet he couldn't last one round with Ingo.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Machen still got hit by Liston's punches, and yet he went the distance. Yet he couldn't last one round with Ingo.

and Marciano and Liston both used the same size gloves

[K-DOGG]

do you honestly think that it would take 13 rounds for liston to beat jersey joe walcott? or 9 rounds to fininsh archie moore? liston would knock them all out in one round! also, liston would not have to knock down luis firpo nine times in order for him to stay down. or knock down jess willard 15 times, and dempsey didn't really even knock him out, he quit on his stool. and just because abe somon and buddy baer were 250+ doesn't mean they had good chins.

Actually...Walcott, from a style perspective, beats Lison, IMO.