My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[K-DOGG]

what do you mean pure speculation? louis had 25. ali had 19. during those three years do you think anybody could have beaten prime ali. nope, they sure couldn't. not frazier, not quarry, not norton, not ellis, and not bonavena. so, im sure in three years ali would fight seven times at least.

Frazier would have had a shot...besides, what about Louis' four years of inactivity?

[butterfly1964]

Frazier would have had a shot...besides, what about Louis' four years of inactivity?

yeah, and when louis came back he beat up on bums like tammi mauriello. when ali came back, he had to fight people like frazier and norton.

[butterfly1964]

That it is...and I find it funny & hypocritical how Butterfly is only giving Ali credit for extra title defenses in the "what if" scheme of things, and not Louis.

difference is, when louis came back, he was still champion. when ali came back, he had to gain it back. so ali lost basically seven years of title defenses and louis lost only three.

[Kid Achilles]

Yeah, how many extra title defenses would Louis have made if not for WW2 Butterfly? Answer that one. Also you assume that Ali would have beaten a prime Frazier without question is well...do I even need to say it? Okay, it's ridiculous. A joke. Like your list of heavyweight champions. Joe Louis in the 6th place? It's an insult. Liston at #2? Good for a laugh but then I realized that you're actually serious.

[butterfly1964]

Yeah, how many extra title defenses would Louis have made if not for WW2 Butterfly? Answer that one. Also you assume that Ali would have beaten a prime Frazier without question is well...do I even need to say it? Okay, it's ridiculous. A joke. Like your list of heavyweight champions. Joe Louis in the 6th place? It's an insult. Liston at #2? Good for a laugh but then I realized that you're actually serious.

frazier barely beat a slower ali, so i doubt he would beat a prime one.

[Southpaw Stinger]

My top 10;

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Dempsey
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Mike Tyson
8. Sonny Liston
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Lennox Lewis

[butterfly1964]

My top 10;

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Dempsey
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Mike Tyson
8. Sonny Liston
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Lennox Lewis

you put dempsey above foreman?

[Southpaw Stinger]

you put dempsey above foreman?

I'm basing on achievements/ reign length among other things. Both of Foremans reigns were short.

Dempsey would lose badly against Foreman but I'm not basing the list on head to head match ups.

[Southpaw Stinger]

In a head to head style of the top 10 i'd arrange it like this;

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Joe Louis
4. Joe Frazier
5. Sonny Liston
6. Mike Tyson
7. Larry Holmes
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Lennox Lewis

[K-DOGG]

I think I've already done this on this thread; but might have altered a few posistions since then...don't remember. Oh well:


1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Joe Frazier
10. George Foreman

here's another 5...

11. Jim Jeffries
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Charles "Sonny" Liston
15. Gene Tunney