Ali or Louis?

[Schmerzen]

Is a 10 year old kid tough enough to make up a lie over the internet? Because thats what you did.

what a troll response again.

Im not trying to win a debate on who should be ranked higher, only why I rank him higher. My whole thing with you was the making up of 21 defenses, which is undeniably untrue..

he has 21 title defenses, i dont care what his official record is.
he wasnt allowed to fight for 3years, the least thing i can do is counting quarry and bonavena as title fights.
i am sure u wont, since we both know u r an ignorant trash-talking troll.

That doesn't mean anything. Different fighters reach their primes at different times..

he was 22 ffs and the favorit for the fight, schmeling is the only one who managed to beat joe louis before he retired.
why didnt he get KO'd before the schmeling fight ?
every1 thought louis is gonna break any single bone of schmeling, but he saw his weakness on tape and pwned him.
i dont let u take away credit from schmelings victory with a lame excuse.

Whats funny is you trying to compare a 24 year old Far and a 46 year old Moore. Whats funny is you conveniently left out the next 4 losses were all to rated contenders. Whats funny is Sharkey also had wins over McTigue, Loughran, Delaney, Stribling and Wills.

still doesnt change the fact the guy won 0 out 5 fights at the age of 24 against those "rated contenders" u r talking about.
isnt that a reason enough to have my doubts of him being an ATG.
if not, i guess i have to say jimmy young is also an ATG.

[wmute]

There is one thing that always bothered me as biased in the Cox article. I have great respect for Cox, but

"Carroll also noted that boxers with great footwork such as Conn and Pastor had given Louis trouble. But Ali was not as correct a boxer as Billy Conn or Bob Pastor."

is simply ridiculous

With the observation in bold, Cox dismisses the possibility that Ali's movement would really trouble Louis. Frankly, I just don't see how his argument works. Ali was definitely succesful with his movement throughout his career, and I don't recall any fight of Louis against "incorrect" movers. So after a few paragraphs convincing us of how Louis jab would consistently land on Ali and win Louis the fight, one -irrelevant- sentence is enough to erase any notion that Ali's movement would cause Louis' any trouble. That is a lot of bias right there.

[Schmerzen]

ali started dancing in the second liston fight, he moved different in the first one.

[JAB5239]

what a troll response again.

So are you admitting or denying that you're a liar?

he has 21 title defenses, i dont care what his official record is.
he wasnt allowed to fight for 3years, the least thing i can do is counting quarry and bonavena as title fights.
i am sure u wont, since we both know u r an ignorant trash-talking troll.

Lmao!!! Like I said before, you want to make things up to suit your argument. Joe Louis wasn't allowed to fight either for 4 years. I think I'll count all the exhibitions he had in the army as title defenses. Seems reasonable since you think its ok to just make up your own rules.

he was 22 ffs and the favorit for the fight, schmeling is the only one who managed to beat joe louis before he retired.
why didnt he get KO'd before the schmeling fight ?
every1 thought louis is gonna break any single bone of schmeling, but he saw his weakness on tape and pwned him.
i dont let u take away credit from schmelings victory with a lame excuse.

Nothing you said points to him being in his prime. He was still immature, believing all the hype surrounding him and playing golf and getting laid everyday. His best fights were ahead of him, not behind him.

still doesnt change the fact the guy won 0 out 5 fights at the age of 24 against those "rated contenders" u r talking about.
isnt that a reason enough to have my doubts of him being an ATG.
if not, i guess i have to say jimmy young is also an ATG.

Are you not bright enough to see the difference between losing a few fights but still being young and able, and being 46 and washed up?

[Schmerzen]

So are you admitting or denying that you're a liar

i do admit to start a discussion with u was one of the worst things i have ever done since i joined boxingscene.

Lmao!!! Like I said before, you want to make things up to suit your argument. Joe Louis wasn't allowed to fight either for 4 years. I think I'll count all the exhibitions he had in the army as title defenses. Seems reasonable since you think its ok to just make up your own rules.:PAT:

u forgot to count joe louis battering his ex girlfriend as a title defense.

Nothing you said points to him being in his prime. He was still immature, believing all the hype surrounding him and playing golf and getting laid everyday. His best fights were ahead of him, not behind him.

and then he got laid by the great max schmeling, lame lame lame excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuses

Are you not bright enough to see the difference between losing a few fights but still being youn and able, and being 46 and washed up?

stop hitting your head, u r dumb enough already.

[49-0]

Who's the greater heavyweight?

In my opinion, it's Ali.

Same here, too fast & too mobile.

[fight_professor]

Slow footed Joe Louis, with his poor chin and mechanical movement would get easily beaten by Ali. Too fast, too quick on his feet, much better chin, much better movement.

Ali's record testifies that he can overcome Louis's power-and there is no other advantage JL has. Ali wins a lopsided UD or possibly a late TKO.

[Schmerzen]

btw. joe louis was also playing golf before the second schmeling fight, 1:37

[JAB5239]

i do admit to start a discussion with u was one of the worst things i have ever done since i joined boxingscene.



u forgot to count joe louis battering his ex girlfriend as a title defense.



and then he got laid by the great max schmeling, lame lame lame excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuses




stop hitting your head, u r dumb enough already.

This is what I've reduced you to? Lol, what a sad little troll you are. You've been owned!!

[JAB5239]

btw. joe louis was also playing golf before the second schmeling fight, 1:37

Yeah, so? Its a fact Louis was spending more time on the golf course than training for the first fight. Its also a fact that he trained like a beast for the rematch in which most agree he came into both his physical and mental prime.