What makes SRR the greatest?

[F l i c k e r]

You forgot WBO Super Middleweight. And as much as I love Tommy Hearns (I even rate him higher than Leonard), he's far from the GOAT. If he didn't have a weak chin he'd be in the running for sure tho.

Even with his chin though, his accomplishments is absurd. It's one thing to clear out a division. It's a totally different universe when you go from 147-190 and actually win titles in every division that you moved up from.

The guys of the past are great, they had heart, they had guts. But I don't see anything that can top going from 147 to 190. Approx 50lbs don't seem like much but c'mon, when you look at a WW and then a Cruiserweight, there is an obvious difference. Then you add that you won titles and not just some nabo, ipbf title, I mean the main titles like WBO, WBC, and such. It's just crazy accomplishments.

I'm with Verse(check his last post). Some people have good opinions but for the most part I notice that alot of people simply say [insert 1920-1950 boxer here] is great just because other people say so.

[donkim]

He also didn't duck, dodge, and pick his spots when it came to making fights happen.

That's funny,I could have swore that he never stepped anywhere near the same ring as John Mugabi,Herol Graham and Mike McCallum.......all three of whom were rated contenders at the same weight class so many proclaim Hearns to be the greatest.

Hearns was ahead on my scorecards against Leonard in both fights. In both fights he was drained. This I cannot over look.

I've called you out on this in the past and you ran with your tail between your legs(much like your hero did at the sight of any elite black fighter).You made the accusation that Leonard dragged Hearns down to a catchweight for the first fight despite having absolutely no proof what so ever.

On the other hand, even Leonard's wife didn't think he beat Hagler. This I also can't overlook.

This is the most ridiculous statement that I have ever read in my life.You can't overlook the opinion of Ray Leonard's EX wife and you wonder I call you a dunce?


You're no better that the morons here who believe in half the smut that comes from hbo legendary nights......except your info comes from beyond the glory

Even with his chin though, his accomplishments is absurd. It's one thing to clear out a division. It's a totally different universe when you go from 147-190 and actually win titles in every division that you moved up from.

When did Hearns ever clear out a division?

[SplitSecond]

Robinson's Unquantified-but-Detailed Complete Career Resume:

*Info below uses Ring Annual Ratings
*Hall of Famers in bold

Pete Lello (#3 LW – 1940)
Sammy Angott (#1 LW – 1940, LW Champ – 1941, #2 LW – 1943, #8 WW – 1945)
Maxie Shapiro (#8 LW – 1942)
Marty Servo [Undefeated] (WW Champ – 1946)
Fritzie Zivic (WW Champ – 1940, #3 WW – 1941, #8 WW 1942)
Maxie Berger (JWW Champ – 1939, #6 WW – 1940)
Norman Rubio (#10 WW – 1941)
Reuben Shank (#8 MW – 1943)
Tony Motisi (#9 WW – 1942)
Jake LaMotta (#6 MW – 1942, #1 MW – 1943, #2 MW – 1944, #3 MW – 1945, #1 MW – 1946)
(#5 MW – 1947, #3 MW – 1948, MW Champ – 1949 & 1950)
Izzy Janazzo (#2 WW – 1940, #8 WW – 1941 & 1943)
Vic Dellicurti (#10 MW – 1944)
Al Nettlow (couple close fights with Bob Montgomery, beat Maxie Berger)
California Jackie Wilson (#2 WW – 1941, #3 WW – 1942)
Ralph Zannelli (#5 WW – 1943, #4 WW – 1947)
Henry Armstrong (WW Champ – 1938 & 1939, #1 WW – 1940, #2 WW – 1942, #1 WW – 1944)
Sheik Rangel (#10 WW – 1942)
George Martin (beat Ralph Zannelli, Garvey Young, V. Vines, Pedro Montanez, Battling Battalino, Andy Callahan)
Tommy Bell (#1 WW – 1946, #2 WW – 1947)
George Costner (#5 WW – 1947, #2 WW – 1949)
Jimmy McDaniels (#4 WW – 1944)
O'Neill Bell (just beat George Costner, Jackie Wilson, and Fritzie Zivic back to back to back)
Joe Curcio (beat Fritzie Zivic, Cecil Hudson, and Johnny Green)
Vinnie Vines (beat Sam Baroudi and Jackie Alzek)
Ossie Harris (beat Tommy Bell, Reuben Shank, and Fritzie Zivic)
Cecil Hudson (beat Tommy Bell, Fritzie Zivic, Freddie Dixon, Ossie Harris, & Sheik Rangel)
Artie Levine (beat Jimmy Doyle, Marvin Bryant, Vic Dellicurti, Herbie Kronowitz, & Joe Agosta)
Georgie Abrams (#5 MW – 1946)
Jimmy Doyle (#2 WW – 1945, #7 WW – 1946)
Billy Nixon (beat Johnny Green, Buster Tyler, & Johnny Hutchinson)
Chuck Taylor (beat Frankie Abrams, Tony Pellone, and Honeychile Johnson)
Henry Brimm (beat Vic Dellicurti, Holman Williams, Joey DeJohn, Arte Towne, & Tony Elizondo)
Bernard Docusen (#3 WW – 1948 & 1949)
Kid Gavilan (#1 WW – 1948, 1949, 1950, & 1951, WW Champ – 1952 & 1953)
Bobby Lee (beat Livio Minelli, Billy Nixon, Nava Esparza, Dorsey Lay, Honeychile Johnson, Chico Varona, & Gene Burton)
Don Lee (beat Jimmy McDaniels, Vince Foster, Sheik Rangel, Joe Danos, Howard Bleyhl, Billy Tierney)
Earl Turner (beat Sheik Rangel, Fred Apostoli, Cecil Hudson, Cocoa Kid, Don Lee, Jackie Wilson, George Costner, George Duke, etc)
Steve Belloise (#2 MW – 1948, #5 MW – 1949)
Al Mobley (beat Fritzie Zivic, Georgie Benton, Honeychile Johnson, George Martin, Sylvester Perkins, Otis Graham, & Bert Linam)
Aaron Wade (#7 MW – 1945)
Ray Barnes (#7 MW – 1950)
Robert Villemain (#3 MW – 1949, #8 MW – 1950, #9 MW – 1951)
Charley Fusari (#3 WW – 1950, #8 WW – 1951)
Jose Basora (#4 MW – 1943 & 1944)
Joe Rindone (beat Ralph Zannelli, Paul Pender, Bob Murphy, Pierre Langlois, Joe Blackwood, Charley Zivic, & Henry Lee)
Bobo Olson (#3 MW – 1952, MW Champ – 1953 & 1954, #1 MW – 1955)
Bobby Dykes (#2 WW – 1952, #5 MW – 1953)
Jean Stock (beat Randy Turpin, Bobby Dawson, Omar Kouidri, Cyrille Delannoit, Robert Charron, Edouard Tenet)
Luc van Dam (beat Jean Stock, Cyrille Delannoit, Jacques Royer Crecy, Albert Finch, Bep van Klaveren, & Felix Wouters)
Hans Stretz (beat Randy Turpin, Jacques Royer Crecy, Al Mobley, Peter Mueller, Rudi Pepper)
(Carl Schmidt, Heinz Sanger, Alex Buxton, Johnny Sullivan, Franco Festucci)
Holley Mims (#8 MW – 1953, #3 MW – 1954, #6 MW – 1955)
Cyrille Delannoit (#5 MW – 1948)
Randy Turpin (#1 MW – 1951 & 1952, MW Champ – 1951)
Rocky Graziano (#3 MW – 1946, MW Champ – 1947, #10 MW – 1948 & 1951)
Garth Panter (beat Pierre Langlois, Walter Cartier, and Earl Turner)
Rocky Castellani (#1 MW – 1953, #2 MW – 1954, #5 MW – 1955)
Gene Fullmer (#1 MW – 1956, MW Champ – 1957, #2 MW – 1957 & 1958, #1 MW – 1959, 1960, 1961, & 1962)
Carmen Basilio (WW Champ – 1955 & 1956, MW Champ – 1957, #1 MW – 1958)
Denny Moyer (#9 MW – 1961, #6 MW – 1962, JMW Champ – 1963, #9 MW – 1968, #2 MW – 1969)
Ralph Dupas (#2 WW – 1961, #3 WW – 1962, #4 WW – 1963, JMW Champ – 1963)
Yoland Leveque (beat Bennie Briscoe, Jacques Marty, Art Hernandez, & Bo Hogberg)

angott was pretty good from what i seen, but how do you know if zivic is any good? all i know was he was incredibly dirty, which back then you could get away with pretty easily, low blowing, headbutting and poking people in the eye? not really boxing skills is it? glad robinson beat the crap outta him, would like to have some footage of these fights tho
also why are you mentioning peeps that have been champion? which got about 20 losses? if we mentioned every other fighters resume with former/future champions they'd have more names too

[steeluv]

the opponents, his speed and power, the longevity the amount of fights and if we talking about longevity you can ask your mother about him

[Targaryen]

It'll be hard for any fighter to surpass him.

Not just in terms of ability, it probably will happen but it'll be hard for anyone to actually consider a boxer to be better than SRR, like I said not just for ability alone, but in terms resume. SRR fought everyone, he went 85-0 and 128-1. By the end of his career he had won 173 out of 200 fights. These days fighters are considered to have had a long career if they span 40+ fights. With all the promotion/money involved these days no fighter can just fight on a fortnightly basis like old school fighters use to, you'd never see Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather having a rematch on the 22nd May . There's also the fact SRR fought in a era of 15 round fights and in a much tougher era in boxing.

It's nearly impossible to measure anyone from the modern era with him, and it will be same in the future because the sport has changed drastically.

[Ascended]

Beat a bunch of novices compared to the average 70s,no one else beat that man no names while looking great that's why he is held in high regard