What makes SRR the greatest?

[Obama]

You're way to bitter about me asking some specific questions... The very first person that posts in here didn't have the slightest problem with giving me some info. If you don't like thread, you don't have to be in here.

Thanks for your input anyways.

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You do realize what you quoted when you wrote this, right? The quote and the reply have nothing to do with each other, at all.

[THE REED]

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You do realize what you quoted when you wrote this, right? The quote and the reply have nothing to do with each other, at all.

Who cares what I quoted. You know what I was referring to, and so did cotto16.

[TheGreatA]

There can never be enough talk about Ray Robinson's greatness. However a lot of what I'd have to say has already been covered here.

What sets him apart from Henry Armstrong for me is his longevity. Armstrong had a short peak during which he accomplished more than just about any fighter in history. Robinson however remained a top fighter for decades.

Also on film he had more dimensions than Armstrong who was a great pressure fighter. Robinson could box, he could move, he could punch, he could slug it out and put the pressure on your and fight in close if he had to. Of course he was mainly a boxer-puncher and a mover but he could adapt his style according to his opposition.

The win Robinson has over Armstrong doesn't mean all that much for me. Not that Armstrong was truly shot, he was still the number 1 ranked contender in the division and beat many very good fighters even at that stage, but he had everything going against him against the younger, faster, bigger Ray Robinson.

[Obama]

Who cares what I quoted. You know what I was referring to, and so did cotto16.

cotto16 is also on record for calling me "the worst poster in the history section".

I'm not the bitter guy in all this. I just pointed out that there's a search function on this forum, and it works.

[Mr. Anonymous]

just to add...SSR once fought five times in one month in four different countries....WOW! think of fighters today doing this!

[THE REED]

There can never be enough talk about Ray Robinson's greatness. However a lot of what I'd have to say has already been covered here.

What sets him apart from Henry Armstrong for me is his longevity. Armstrong had a short peak during which he accomplished more than just about any fighter in history. Robinson however remained a top fighter for decades.

Also on film he had more dimensions than Armstrong who was a great pressure fighter. Robinson could box, he could move, he could punch, he could slug it out and put the pressure on your and fight in close if he had to. Of course he was mainly a boxer-puncher and a mover but he could adapt his style according to his opposition.

The win Robinson has over Armstrong doesn't mean all that much for me. Not that Armstrong was truly shot, he was still the number 1 ranked contender in the division and beat many very good fighters even at that stage, but he had everything going against him against the younger, faster, bigger Ray Robinson.

Great information... thanks for taking the time.

[Southpaw16BF]

Great information... thanks for taking them time.

some great posts in this thread, espcailly from A and the JFBH162!

[THE REED]

some great posts in this thread, espcailly from A and the JFBH162!

Definitely... getting a much better understanding now..

[ILLuminato]

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Ray Robinson's Resume Of Wins
-Pete Lello
-Sammy Angott
-Marty Servo (42-0)
-Fritzie Zivic
-Jake LaMotta
-Izzy Jannazzo
-Al Nettlow
-California Jackie Wilson
-Ralph Zannelli
-Henry Armstrong
-Tommy Bell
-Cecil Hudson
-Kid Gavilan
-Steve Belloise
-George Costner
-Robert Villemain
-Charley Fusari
-Jose Basora
-Bobo Olson
-Bobby Dykes
-Cyrille Delannoit
-Randy Turpin
-Rocky Graziano
-Gene Fullmer
-Carmen Basilio
-Denny Moyer

Named The Ring Fighter of the Year for 1942 and 1951.......

I have respect for a lot of these fighters...Henry Armstrong is MUCH smaller than SRR so I don't put an emphasis on him. This list to me is a bunch of B- to D fighters. I feel a lot of fighters could go through the same thing undefeated.

Sure SRR's tools were impeccable, but I don't see the level of opposition as high as a SRL, or even Bernard Hopkins. SRR never had to fight Marvin Hagler like Leonard did. And Hagler owuld've been Robinson's best win BY FAR. Robinson lost to fighters lesser than Hagler.

[Verstyle]

It would be great if some of the history posters in here could help fill in some blanks for me. It's one thing to read about him in Wiki, or other places, but you guys have a lot of the background knowledge that isn't exactly in these common articles. I have basic common knowledge on the man... have read some of his career specifics and seen footage of his fights, but wish to learn more in depth knowledge about him...

I suppose the biggest questions I have:



1. What was his single greatest accomplishment?



2. Who were his BIGGEST wins?

a. How old were they?

b. What wins did THEY have?

c. Were they prime? If so, where were they ranked at the time?



3. What sets SRR aside from the other TOP ATGs?



4. Do you think he will ever be surpassed on the ATG list? And if so, what would that said fighter have to accomplish? (I realize this is a highly opinionated question)



5. Why would you rank SRR OVER Henry Armstrong? (Feel free to list facts about Armstrongs career)



6. Physical: Why is it so hard to beat SRR in mythical matchups? What were his greatest strengths?



Thanks for anyone who can fill in some of these blanks... I just feel as a huge boxing fan I don't know enough about the greatest fighter of all time.

I think most ppl say he's the greatest because of other ppl saying it. It goes well on this forum as well. I personally have to see at least 30 to 50 fights of yours to rank you.