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    What makes SRR the greatest?

    It would be great if some of the history posters in here could help fill in some blanks for me. It's one thing to read about him in Wiki, or other places, but you guys have a lot of the background knowledge that isn't exactly in these common articles. I have basic common knowledge on the man... have read some of his career specifics and seen footage of his fights, but wish to learn more in depth knowledge about him...

    I suppose the biggest questions I have:



    1. What was his single greatest accomplishment?



    2. Who were his BIGGEST wins?

    a. How old were they?

    b. What wins did THEY have?

    c. Were they prime? If so, where were they ranked at the time?



    3. What sets SRR aside from the other TOP ATGs?



    4. Do you think he will ever be surpassed on the ATG list? And if so, what would that said fighter have to accomplish? (I realize this is a highly opinionated question)



    5. Why would you rank SRR OVER Henry Armstrong? (Feel free to list facts about Armstrongs career)



    6. Physical: Why is it so hard to beat SRR in mythical matchups? What were his greatest strengths?



    Thanks for anyone who can fill in some of these blanks... I just feel as a huge boxing fan I don't know enough about the greatest fighter of all time.
    #2
    The the majority of the boxing world feel Ray Robinson is the greatest prizefighter of all time and for good reason. Ray Leonard once said ''A lot of people say there was a comparision between Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard.'' ''Belive me, the was no comparison''

    Max Schmeling, Ike Williams, and Muhhamad Ali all said Robinson was The Greatest Fighter Of All Time.

    Legendary trainer Ray Arcel speaking on Robinson ''He was a fistic genius'' ''He had grace and rhythm''. ''He could hit and not get hit'' ''You got such pleasure watching him'':'' People used to go to the gym just to watch him shadowbox''

    Robinson's resume of victories, consistencey, and skills combined are unmatched in the history of boxing. Robinson's sole loss in his first 132 bouts was to fellow All Time Great Jake Lamotta, which he avenged 5 times.

    Nat Fleischer once wrote in Ring ****zine “Robinson hit the spotlight as the greatest all around fighter, pound for pound, in any division.” They have been saying it about Robinson ever since. The term “pound for pound” has come to exemplify the stature of Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter in boxing history.

    Robinson had it all. Magnificent footwork, balance, co-ordination, rhythm, reflexes, precision, extremly fast hands and feet, vicious killer instinct, knockout power, anvil chin, stamina, and ring generalship.

    Robinson(whose real name was Walker Smith)at his peak was a near perfect fighting machine.

    He was number one ranked Lightweight Contender and defeated Champion Sammy Angott in a non title affair. He was never beaten as a Lightweight.

    He cleaned out the Welterweight divsion and was never beaten at that weight class. Robinson is often credited with being the best Welterweight of al time.

    He won the Middleweight Title a record 5 times. In 1994 Ring ****zine rated Robinson as the greatest Middleweight of all time.

    Robinson also came only a whisker away from winning the Light Heavyweight in 1952. Whilst weighing under the Middleweight limt.

    The record book says that Robinson lost by a technical knockout in 14 rounds to Hall Of Famer Joey Maxim.

    But the real story is the heat. It was so hot that day at Yankee Stadium the temperature was 104 degrees on the ring apron. The heat was so hot that night, referee Ruby Goldstein on the verge of collapsing quit after the 10th round. And was replaced by fellow referee Ray Miller.

    Robinson boxed a great fight against Maxim. As he danced around Maxim beating him to the punch everytime. Dazzaling him with speed, fotwork and skills, working his strategy to perfection. But this was also expending alot of energy in process.

    Even the people in the crowd were drenched in sweat. ''The pants of some of the men were soaking, as if they had wet themselves'' ''No matter were you sat it was scorching hot'' recalled writer Carl Jefferson.

    One of the main reasons Maxim won that fight was, due to using his weight advanatge. He leaned on Ray alot, which took alot out of Robinson. Which to Maxim's credit was a great gameplan.

    It would be the only ever time in Robinson's career that he would be stopped inside the distance.

    Robinson fought 18 World Champions and defeated 10 Hall of Famers.

    His resume of victories is argubaly the best in the history of boxing in a career that spanned three decades.

    Ray Robinson's Resume Of Wins
    -Pete Lello
    -Sammy Angott
    -Marty Servo (42-0)
    -Fritzie Zivic
    -Jake LaMotta
    -Izzy Jannazzo
    -Al Nettlow
    -California Jackie Wilson
    -Ralph Zannelli
    -Henry Armstrong
    -Tommy Bell
    -Cecil Hudson
    -Kid Gavilan
    -Steve Belloise
    -George Costner
    -Robert Villemain
    -Charley Fusari
    -Jose Basora
    -Bobo Olson
    -Bobby Dykes
    -Cyrille Delannoit
    -Randy Turpin
    -Rocky Graziano
    -Gene Fullmer
    -Carmen Basilio
    -Denny Moyer

    Named The Ring Fighter of the Year for 1942 and 1951.......
    Last edited by JFBH_162; 01-29-2010, 12:32 PM.

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      #3
      ^^^ Great read thanks!

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        #4
        This has been gone over a million times, I suggest doing a search on Robinson in this section.

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          #5
          What JFBH_162 said sums up why Robinson was the greatest.

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            #6
            Name me a person who won the WBA Welterweight, WBC Super Welterweight, The Ring Super Welterweight, WBC Middleweight, WBC + WBA Light Heavyweight, and WBU + IBO Cruiserweight titles.....

            and I will show you a person who is REALLY the G.O.A.T

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              #7
              Think you missed the super middle title (WBO?) out there

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                #8
                Originally posted by F l i c k e r View Post
                Name me a person who won the WBA Welterweight, WBC Super Welterweight, The Ring Super Welterweight, WBC Middleweight, WBC + WBA Light Heavyweight, and WBU + IBO Cruiserweight titles.....

                and I will show you a person who is REALLY the G.O.A.T
                You forgot WBO Super Middleweight. And as much as I love Tommy Hearns (I even rate him higher than Leonard), he's far from the GOAT. If he didn't have a weak chin he'd be in the running for sure tho.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Obama View Post
                  You forgot WBO Super Middleweight. And as much as I love Tommy Hearns (I even rate him higher than Leonard), he's far from the GOAT. If he didn't have a weak chin he'd be in the running for sure tho.
                  You rate Hearns higher than Leonard? Wow.......Interesting to say the least. I just don't see it.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by .SOUTHPAW16BF. View Post
                    You rate Hearns higher than Leonard? Wow.......Interesting to say the least. I just don't see it.
                    Tommy's accomplishments at LHW and JMW are too great to ignore. He also didn't duck, dodge, and pick his spots when it came to making fights happen.

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