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    #41
    Muhammad's fight against Holmes was atrocious. Of course, his age was a major factor - and the fact that he was shot. But in addition, his health was affected by a prescribed drug that Herbet Muhammad's doctor (Dr. Charles Williams) had given Ali. He prescribed a drug called Thyrolar, which was to help Ali's 'hyperthyroid' condition, which was diagnosed by Williams. The side effects of the drug included speeding up the metabolism of the body, and failing the cooling mechanisms within body. This meant that Ali was constantly losing weight, and always feeling sluggish and fatigued.

    So by fight time, Ali could barely throw a punch, let alone dance and clown like he used to. He had a sparring session with a guy called Marty Monroe, who was a cruiserweight - just before the fight. Ali always lost in sparring - working on his weaknesses. But this time it was different, he was trying his absolute best, and Monroe beat the living **** out of him, which proves his appalling health condition. How Muhammad was allowed to fight is totally beyond me. A trusted physician said there is no way Ali should fight, the day before the fight. He was falling asleep all the time, couldn't even do roadwork.

    Dr Williams was full of ****, he didn't even conduct tests to make his diagnosis, he just assumed that's what it was. If it weren't for him, the fight may have been a little better. Ali may have won a couple of rounds. But the fight was a shut out, he looked like a 60 year old man. His chin and heart kept him going, and if it weren't for his corner throwing in the towel, he may not even be alive today.

    The Berbick fight on the other hand, was a bit more competitive. Ali was still shot, but didn't have the same health problems from the Holmes fight. Berbick was the aggressor, and landed to the body alot. But still, Berbick won comfortably.

    The Holmes fight is extremely depressing for me to watch. It is my biggest idol getting destroyed by an opponent he most likely would have beaten in his prime.

    I was upset for Tszyu losing to Hatton, my idol getting crushed. I was upset for Morales losing to Pacquiao, another idol tasting the canvas for the first time, but went out on his shield. But Holmes-Ali was far, far worse. Ali was a warrior, but could do nothing. Couldn't fight back. Sad fight.

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      #42
      I was at this fight and saw Ali sparring before the fight. One day he sparred 14 rounds with 7 different sparring partners. He looked good. He didnt show signs of fatigue. Thats was a week before the fight. Once the fight started it didnt take long for everyone to see that something was not right. Holmes was in his prime. Ali did nothing, or couldnt do anything. Luckily Holmes had sympathy for his one time mentor and started motioning for the Ref, to stop it. Yes, Holmes held back towards the end. He knew Ali was finished. I was so shocked and upset. I headed for the exit as fast as I could. Didnt want anyone to see me cry. I'll never forget that night.

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        #43
        definately dont watch this fight if you are an ALI fan, it was a complete mismatch with Larry Holmes at times standing back and practically begging the referee to stop the fight. a sad day for ali and boxing

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          #44
          He's still the greatest....

          You just have to remember him in his prime.

          Ali - Skill, Brains and Guts

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            #45
            yeah it was sad, to see Holmes beat a Ali, that could not even thown a punch.

            I only rember a few jabs Ali thown, but other than that. Holmes was hitting Ali often early, and than he back off.

            But we all should know this sport, the young eats the old.

            Even thought I was not born in the 1930's(1981 is DOB)

            I was watching shot Benny L get hammer by Jimmy McClarin. Sad. it was truely sad to watch this great fighter, old and shot, get ko in 6 easy rounds. And even getting knockdown.

            OTher one already mention before is Louis vs Marciano. Marciano just ate Louis up and spit him out.

            Of couse Holyfiled's recent fights of late are sad to watch. Him vs Toney had me pretty sad.

            And Ray Robinson's last bouts, even with Joey Archer. These guys fight on pass there best. And in the end, they get beating by the young guys.

            Of couse the image of Louis being send out of the ring, and helpless, is a strong one. Just as seeing Bennny L knockdown in round 2.

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              #46
              Yeah it was bad. As the saying goes Ali "got old before our eyes". I always think it's sad when a great champion's age catches up to him and he is made to look like a bum. Holmes even claims to have felt sorry for his idol Ali as he was pummeling him.

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                #47
                Holmes is better than Ali in my book!

                First of all, all you cry-baby Ali fans who say it was sad to see, and hard to watch better do your Ali homework! Poor Muhammad had no pity or sympathy on a 47 yr old Archie Moore when he beat him up & took 'em out in 4 rounds!

                Secondly, it wouldn't have mattered anyhow the timeframe when Holmes & Ali met in the the ring? Holmes would've beat Ali anyway! Just think about it?

                Think of all of Ali's opponents that gave him pur HELL in the ring! People like Norton, whom I dare say in my book actually won 2 out of their 3 fights...and Shavers..he had Ali so scared he was jumping out of his boots from the hard blows...

                Now..Larry did way better than Ali on these 2 guy's...He went toe to toe with a still prime Norton, and he wasn't afraid to mix it up with Shavers and took his hardest punches & won both fights!

                And also, Ali let a 7-0 Neon Leon beat him, when Larry disposed of Spinks in rather quick fashion by way of TKO.

                But getting back to "YOU GUY'S" feeling sad for Ali in the holmes fight..just call yourself lucky that Holmes did have some sympathy & not destry your hero in quicker fashion by way of Knockout, in which he could've easily that night, but chose to carry his idol as long as he could.

                Ali is a man..a tough competitor...a pro...And, it may sound like I'm hatin' on The Greatest, but I'm not..I'm a fan..but this whole Boo-Hoo-ing crap about the Holmes-Ali fight makes me laugh...

                It happens in all boxing, even when your hero took no pity on aging fighters, it was no big deal then? why is it for him? Holmes is the Best Heavyweight that ever lived in my book

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by robertolarocca View Post
                  Holmes is the Best Heavyweight that ever lived in my book
                  ** Wow, the world's first 1 line book. Cong****!

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                    #49
                    Marciano-Louis was harder to watch than this one, because Louis had to fight because he was broke. Watching a legend go take a beating for a few bucks was really sad.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by LondonRingRules View Post
                      ** Wow, the world's first 1 line book. Cong****!

                      LOL!

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