Ali vs Holmes: Was it as bad as they say?

[Skydog]

Ali vs. Holmes and Marciano vs. Louis are two of the saddes moments in boxing to me. The 2 greatest fighters of all time, getting the hell beaten out of them by 2 younger, and rising stars.

I also think when Tyson lost to Douglas was very sad. All Tyson had in his life for him was boxing, and it all ended right there in Tokyo. Tyson trying to grab his mouthpiece is one of the most emotional things I've ever seen.

[fistlegend]

yeah, i've also seen the alivholmes fight, and it is very sad, and the drug that ali took was given to him by the doctors, which sapped his strength but made him look great, it made him lose weight v.fast, but it had its consequence, sapped his strength made him move like an old man

[habZ]

The drug he using made Ali look good but like Dundee said 'the tank was empty'.

It was sad to see Ali finished on his stool

[fistlegend]

'he looked like a picture of health never looked better, but when he got in the ring it sapped his strength the tank was empty'

quoted from Dundee

[Linx]

I watched the fight ages ago. I remember Ali was just standing and couldn't let his hands go, it was unreal. He looked in great shape, WAY better than his fights with Spinks (think ali weighted in at 217). He couldn't do anything and just got pummelled by a young Larry Holmes.

[Kimmy]

It was painful. Ali, just laying on the ropes and Holmes too sensitive to fire any hard punches. I ordered the fight and watch it. It's because its history and should be watched as it chronicles Ali's career. There is always the bad with the good and this is no exceptation. You should watch it, for Ali`s sake!

[fistlegend]

ali weighed at 224-7, alittle heavier then when he fought foreman

[butterfly1964]

ali weighed at 224-7, alittle heavier then when he fought foreman

ali when he fought holmes was 217.

[whatdahieu]

i believe the drug he was taking was tyroid? don't quote me on this.
but it was a potentailly lethal drug and ali took 3 times the prescribed amount like all his other vitamins
did it have a negative consquence?
that is what ppl should concentrate on.
hmmmm lets see, after the bout with holmes he took a bout with trevor berbick most remembered by getting decked by tyson, in what was the drama in the bahama, in that bout he showed some decent skills, he flicked his jabs well, was on his toes at various points, mustered some offense, and actually did well enough for some to believe he actually WON that fight.
mind you that yes berbick was really a very green fighter when they fought but he trained extremely hard for a chance to fight the greatest adn anyone knows a very determined but unskilled foe still has a chance.
my analysis is that ali was older and theoretically should've been way worse due to a combo of age and parkinson's and the fact he was up against a young, hungry fighter in trevor berbick but most feel he should've won this fight.
so YES i believe this was the problem the drug made him lose, i'm not fond of ali at all but lets face facts he was incredibly horrible when he fought holmes, and yet a fight later many viewed he got robbed against another rising star.
BTW holmes would've won but it would'nt be so bad

[butterfly1964]

exactly what i said.