Fury's retirements and the lineal championship

[QueensburyRules]

Fury deserves a belt forever, so the Lineal is always his, even if he comes back and loses 10 more fights. He made the Lineal his own in the back-and-forth war with Prime, in his 30s, Wlad. Fury declined early due to extreme weight gain, excess drink, and excess uncastrated wild boar, but he is forever the Lineal Champion.

He is the only man to beat Wlad in Wlad's 30s, the only man to beat Chisora 3 times, the only man to beat prime Wilder, he also has an energy drink in multiple flavours. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty

- - Feels like kindergarten in here

Parker embarrassed Deyonce and Zhang knocked him out. Ortiz would've KOed their first fight but for the Crook Ref interference when Ortiz had him going.

Lineal Duncecaps arguing lineal is always priceless idiocy...

[Nash out]

- - Feels like kindergarten in here

Parker embarrassed Deyonce and Zhang knocked him out. Ortiz would've KOed their first fight but for the Crook Ref interference when Ortiz had him going.

Lineal Duncecaps arguing lineal is always priceless idiocy...

Zhang and Parker beat a Clone of Wilder that had a faulty trigger mechanism and limited facial recognition, hence, when it, yes, it, the clone, faced the wrong way before Zhang knocked out the clone. Have you even tried Tyson Fury's energy drinks in multiple flavours? Put some respect on the Fury and Wilder names, Sally Field. By the way, many people are convinced that Sally Field was Sally Fields and is a Mandela effect. Put your time into thinking about that. Your homework has been set by your mentor, Nash. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Feels like kindergarten in here

Parker embarrassed Deyonce and Zhang knocked him out. Ortiz would've KOed their first fight but for the Crook Ref interference when Ortiz had him going.

Lineal Duncecaps arguing lineal is always priceless idiocy...

Ugh I call you out. [Insert shove at the weigh-in here]

Tell me you believe that a mere 20 years from now, Anthony Joshua will be recognized as one of the former HW Champion of the World.

Fix my list below. Add whomever you like, but remember it's 2045 and this is a history forum.

Former HW Champions of the World:

Lewis
W. Klitschko
Fury
Usyk

I say AJ doesn't make the list. Unfair no doubt. But Packey McFarland's and Charley Burley's have always existed in boxing. AJ is destined for that group.

That's the power of the lineal title. So long as the sanctioning bodies stay numerous and competitive with eachother (an inevitability) the lineal title will carry forward as the only reasonable (non-political) designation.

Their penchant for corruption makes every title suspect even when it isn't.

When it comes to declaring a champion the sanctioning bodies are less than the sum of their parts.

[JAB5239]

Ugh I call you out. [Insert shove at the weight-in here]

Tell me you believe that a mere 20 years from now, Anthony Joshua will be recognized as one of the former HW Champion of the World.

Fix my list below. Add whomever you like, but remember it's 2045 and this is a history forum.

Former HW Champions of the World:

Lewis
W. Klitschko
Fury
Usyk

I say AJ doesn't make the list. Unfair no doubt. But Packey McFarland's and Charley Burley's have always existed in boxing. AJ is destined for that group.

That's the power of the lineal title. So long as the sanctioning bodies stay numerous and competitive with eachother (an inevitability) the lineal title will carry forward as the only reasonable (non-political) designation.

Their penchant for corruption makes every title suspect even when it isn't.

When it comes to declaring a champion the sanctioning bodies are less than the sum of their parts.

[max baer]

Ugh I call you out. [Insert shove at the weigh-in here]

Tell me you believe that a mere 20 years from now, Anthony Joshua will be recognized as one of the former HW Champion of the World.

Fix my list below. Add whomever you like, but remember it's 2045 and this is a history forum.

Former HW Champions of the World:

Lewis
W. Klitschko
Fury
Usyk

I say AJ doesn't make the list. Unfair no doubt. But Packey McFarland's and Charley Burley's have always existed in boxing. AJ is destined for that group.

That's the power of the lineal title. So long as the sanctioning bodies stay numerous and competitive with eachother (an inevitability) the lineal title will carry forward as the only reasonable (non-political) designation.

Their penchant for corruption makes every title suspect even when it isn't.

When it comes to declaring a champion the sanctioning bodies are less than the sum of their parts.

this seems apt to what you are debating. The lineal king is dead long live the lineal king.

[billeau2]

Just a quick reminder, Bill. It was you who brought government authority into this discussion by comparing the lineal title to the US constitution.

Nope... that's not how I brought government Authority into this

[billeau2]

What amuses me is that some people at this forum have somehow got the crazy idea that fans have the power to declare world champions into their heads.

Fans have the right to weigh in and use the power of consensus to do so. The ignorance has to do with people such as yourself who see this as an afront.

[billeau2]

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Parker embarrassed Deyonce and Zhang knocked him out. Ortiz would've KOed their first fight but for the Crook Ref interference when Ortiz had him going.

Lineal Duncecaps arguing lineal is always priceless idiocy...

front.

the position you take on this reaffirms how true it is. Thank you for being the form idiot and confirming such. If this isn't proof i do not know what is!

[billeau2]

The situation was completely different back then. Lineages were easier to trace and there was an actual lineal title belt, awarded by Ring Magazine via the man-who-beat-the-man method, which Spinks held when he fought Tyson.

If Spinks had handed in his licence and retired after beating Holmes, then come back 2 years later, 80lb overweight, claiming to still be the lineal champion, do you really think anybody would have taken his claim seriously? Boxing reporters were serious journalists back then, not the grovelling toadies we have nowadays. Spinks would have been ripped to shreds and laughed out of the sport if he'd tried to pull a con trick like that in the 1980s.

Ring Magazine never had a claim on the lineal. Doesn't matter what they declared they don't own it. And what a ****** thing to say. We have more data and more information than ever there's no problem keeping track of the lineal. And despite what people can do, like coming back out of retirement unable, Etc somehow the lineal persists. You think this is somehow less credible than some alphabet soup declaring Emmanuel Char as a champion? Those ****** pills are really starting to kick in

[billeau2]

There's no credible reason to deny the lineal. Some people have said they don't see the purpose of it. I can relate to that partially. There are many times where the lineal doesn't have to be in play. The lineal is there to resolve conflicts when needed. It doesn't mean that it has to be institutionalized and put forth as another title. It is there to resolve dispute in the simplest of manners.

those hostile to the lineal are shooting themselves in the foot as fans. Again, I'm sympathetic to the argument that at times it is useless. I keep a hammer in my tool set at times I don't need it. The real idiocy is not understanding how the lineal resolves Championship status when needed. I don't care what Fury did, when ring co-opted the title.. I can call myself Superman doesn't mean I am. The lineal never belonged to any fighter, or any institution with special interests. Idiots just won't get this. Hence to know how queen bee feels among others is a bit of a relief.