Weakest HW Champ Of Them All

[Willie Pep 229]

- - With toofless Leon being the weakest of modern champs, and Marvin Hart being the weakest of the oltimers, that's a tough call whether the Leon who whooped Ali could beat the Marv who whooped Jack Johnson.

What if that Ali and JJ fought each other on that fateful night of infamy, who U got...

Since we are looking for the weakest, what if Hart fought L. Spinks?

Not a tough call. Hart whoops Neon. Spinks made his name in the amateurs where boxing is paramount. Hart was a pug who could box, fight, and grapple like a pro.

Once Ali gave a damn, Leon turned out to be nothing more than a sparring session for him, never closing the distance.

It is hard to see Neon handling any seasoned fighter. Hart gave up size and skill and still made a fight of it, taking JJ the distance. For a small man that's an achievement. Spinks beating an old a disinterested Ali isn't.

But of course to some, with a agenda, Hart is not a real champion and to suggest he is, causes panic amongst their ranks. So keep this between me and you.

[Mr Mitts]

Who was the weakest HW champion at throwing some weights around? Which ones do you figure were the weakest strength-wise?

[QueensburyRules]

Since we are looking for the weakest, what if Hart fought L. Spinks?

Not a tough call. Hart whoops Neon. Spinks made his name in the amateurs where boxing is paramount. Hart was a pug who could box, fight, and grapple like a pro.

Once Ali gave a damn, Leon turned out to be nothing more than a sparring session for him, never closing the distance.

It is hard to see Neon handling any seasoned fighter. Hart gave up size and skill and still made a fight of it, taking JJ the distance. For a small man that's an achievement. Spinks beating an old a disinterested Ali isn't.

But of course to some, with a agenda, Hart is not a real champion and to suggest he is, causes panic amongst their ranks. So keep this between me and you.

- - Shhhhhh......noone should know......NOONE!!!

[max baer]

Since we are looking for the weakest, what if Hart fought L. Spinks?

Not a tough call. Hart whoops Neon. Spinks made his name in the amateurs where boxing is paramount. Hart was a pug who could box, fight, and grapple like a pro.

Once Ali gave a damn, Leon turned out to be nothing more than a sparring session for him, never closing the distance.

It is hard to see Neon handling any seasoned fighter. Hart gave up size and skill and still made a fight of it, taking JJ the distance. For a small man that's an achievement. Spinks beating an old a disinterested Ali isn't.

But of course to some, with a agenda, Hart is not a real champion and to suggest he is, causes panic amongst their ranks. So keep this between me and you.

remember this leon spinks fight? Worth considering.
something in leon spinks best of!
I think he was better then our memories serve us. Do you watch this and think "he was rather good in some ways?"

[travestyny]

Charles Martin was the first that came to mind.

[Bronson66]

Charles Martin was the first that came to mind.

Nice to see you posting again!

[Bronson66]

Since we are looking for the weakest, what if Hart fought L. Spinks?

Not a tough call. Hart whoops Neon. Spinks made his name in the amateurs where boxing is paramount. Hart was a pug who could box, fight, and grapple like a pro.

Once Ali gave a damn, Leon turned out to be nothing more than a sparring session for him, never closing the distance.

It is hard to see Neon handling any seasoned fighter. Hart gave up size and skill and still made a fight of it, taking JJ the distance. For a small man that's an achievement. Spinks beating an old a disinterested Ali isn't.

But of course to some, with a agenda, Hart is not a real champion and to suggest he is, causes panic amongst their ranks. So keep this between me and you.

Hart was 3/4"of an inch the shorter man,but slightly heavier.
I class him as a legitimate champion.

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[Willie Pep 229]

Hart was 3/4"of an inch the shorter man,but slightly heavier.
I class him as a legitimate champion.

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Yeah, I see it now. Hart is not a small HW when compared to JJ in 1905.

Although JJ will put on 17 pounds more by Jeffries. I guess I too often think of Johnson at that size and shouldn't.*

But this match-up does looks even in size.

This makes me double down that Hart would probably take L. Spinks.

I think Spinks was a one night wonder.

* There is some historical speculation that they, the media, shaved Johnson's weight down a bit for the Jeffries fight.

They wanted the 'negro' to be smaller than the White man. Part of Jeffries image was: 'What a mountain of a man he is.'

[Bronson66]

Yeah, I see it now. Hart is not a small HW when compared to JJ in 1905.

Although JJ will put on 17 pounds more by Jeffries. I guess I too often think of Johnson at that size and shouldn't.*

But this match-up does looks even in size.

This makes me double down that Hart would probably take L. Spinks.

I think Spinks was a one night wonder.

* There is some historical speculation that they, the media, shaved Johnson's weight down a bit for the Jeffries fight.

They wanted the 'negro' to be smaller than the White man. Part of Jeffries image was: 'What a mountain of a man he is.'

Johnson said he was 208lbs,and in the shape of his life.

[Willie Pep 229]

Johnson said he was 208lbs,and in the shape of his life.

Yeah. So says Boxrec and I suspect the newspapers of the day.

I wonder though, if 'negro' weights weren't screwed with.

There is no doubt that size mattered. It is what gave us the 'tale of the tape.' (Right down to ankle size.)

Considering all the other racist acts perpetrated on black fighters why would they, the commissions and newspapers, not shape the statistics to their liking?

I question all numbers I read about the black pioneer fighters. You have to expect that the white papers diminish their value and the 'Negro' papers exaggerate.