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Beterbiev vs Bivol~Where will they rank in Historical top 20 LH lists?

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    Beterbiev vs Bivol~Where will they rank in Historical top 20 LH lists?

    Current IBRO rankings:

    1. Ezzard Charles (586)
    2. Archie Moore (538)
    3. Gene Tunney (495)
    4. Sam Langford (468)
    5. Bob Foster (451)
    6. Mike Spinks (434)
    7. Tommy Loughran (403)
    8. Billy Conn (371)
    9. Harry Greb (325)
    10. Roy Jones Jr. (258)
    11. Bob Fitzsimmons (232)
    12. Harold Johnson (206)
    13. Maxie Rosenbloom (205)
    14. Tommy Gibbons (188)
    15. John Henry Lewis (163)
    16. Jimmy Bivins (111)
    17. Matthew Saad Muhammad (105)
    18. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien (104)
    19. Jack Dillon (95)
    20. Dwight Qawi (87)

    Could this Saturday be the all time best LH fight in history?

    I think maybe, but because Beter is injury prone near 40, that may fail him in the end. Absent injury, I favor Beter. He's fundamentally sound as a boxer, but the pressure he puts on fighters is nonstop as in a "You can run, but you can't hide" aka Joe Louis telling Ali how he'd fight him...
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    A lot of great fighters in that division historically... I do think Bieter is something special, not entirely sold on Bivol. If the fight turns out to be as good as expected I think either guy who wins assuming both look like they're capable are in the ranking for special consideration in the division I wouldn't call them the best though lol but you're entitled to your opinion.

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      Whoever wins, they will beat a guy with 20 something fights and mediocre competition other than Canelo. They have to beat multiple excellent fighters to even be in the conversation with guys we saw bare themselves to the soul many times. As far as I am concerned the likes of Matt Franklin wades through both of them like they aren't even there, maybe on the same night.

      They may be great fighters, but who really knows?
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        Originally posted by Mr Mitts View Post
        Whoever wins, they will beat a guy with 20 something fights and mediocre competition other than Canelo. They have to beat multiple excellent fighters to even be in the conversation with guys we saw bare themselves to the soul many times. As far as I am concerned the likes of Matt Franklin wades through both of them like they aren't even there, maybe on the same night.

        They may be great fighters, but who really knows?
        - They're bigger than LH in the past because of modern day before a fight weighin.

        Beter is unified, so modern saying goes that a fighter can only fight whom they put in front of him, and Beter is taking on the last title to be undisputed.

        Used to be it took only a single fight to be undisputed, so Beter accomplishing things that were easier to do back in the day.

        Who he duck?

        Yeah!!!

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          #5
          You can’t rank them anywhere close because they have such short careers and hardly any competition. Someone like Charles or Moore has an infinitely deeper resume and loads more experience.
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            #6
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - They're bigger than LH in the past because of modern day before a fight weighin.

            Beter is unified, so modern saying goes that a fighter can only fight whom they put in front of him, and Beter is taking on the last title to be undisputed.

            Used to be it took only a single fight to be undisputed, so Beter accomplishing things that were easier to do back in the day.

            Who he duck?

            Yeah!!!
            They aren’t bigger, they weigh more because they can. These aren’t huge light heavies by any stretch.

            didn’t you say Beter would beat Marciano? Yeah 0 chance


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              #7
              Of the Top 20 they could probably beat Fitz, Rosenbloom, Dillon and maybe Muhammad. That doesn’t necessarily mean they bump them off the list.

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                #8
                Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
                Of the Top 20 they could probably beat Fitz, Rosenbloom, Dillon and maybe Muhammad. That doesn’t necessarily mean they bump them off the list.
                Not Jack Dillon, IMO.

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                  #9
                  Bet a beast and Biv is close to great but Ezzard and Archie are 3 levels ahead of them in ability

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                    #10
                    i think beterbiev could hang with any of them, he had a long outstanding amateur career and an outstanding pro career, how much of those guys in the list actually fight like bivol. when beterbiev fights fights any style that isn't like bivol he is usually scarily mauling them

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