Who was the greater - Manny Pacquiao or Pernell Whitaker?

[travestyny]

Seems to me you spend way too much time up Shoulder's butt (you own butt). Insert ****** luaging cartoon here.

Makes no sense. Shoulder Roll and I haven't discussed any topic here in weeks if not months. Looks like you're just butthurt because more than one poster here knows how full of shlt you often are. Stop attacking posters because you are often exposed so easily. Try to stop idolizing men and attacking anyone who doesn't agree with your bullshlt. It's not my fault that your idol was a ducker and we all know it. Grow a pair and get over it. Don't put my name in posts that have nothing to do with me. Learn to stand up for yourself based on having sound information and stop posting with your emotions like a 12 year old girl.

[travestyny]

Yes I do. I think you need to constantly recieve comformation even if you have to give it to yourself; you use an alt, so in your own mind, you think you look good.

I think it's really cute the way "he" always seems to appear just a day after you reappear.

And of course the way you both never participate unless there is an opportunity to make yourself supposedly look good by making someone else look bad, i.e. your constant use of trap questions; asking the same question over and over, perversely thinking it makes you look right, it is the most obvious evidence that you are the same person.

Seriously, there is sonething wrong with you, your need to find fortune in other men's eyes, is in itself, a mental illness. (Insert ****** laughing cartoon here.)

I'm sure I'll hear from Shoulder real soon now!

No one gives a fvvck what you think. That you have to pretend we are the same poster shows what a pathetic poster you are.

"Wahhhhhhhh, more than one poster called me out for my idiocy. It can't be that I'm simply an idiot. It has to be they are the same poster."

If you think we are the same poster, take it up with the mods and get one or both of us banned. Matter of fact, feel free to put a permanent ban bet on it. If you're right, I'll gladly leave this forum forever. If you're wrong, I won't expect an apology because the billion times I have proven you wrong here when you attack my character you have never apologized. But you get your panties in a knot when I return fire and you play like you're a fcvcking victim. But feel free to buzz off forever if you are wrong. Deal?

Maybe we aren't trying to make ourselves look good. Maybe you just easily look bad with your Dempsey butt licking and other shlt that makes no sense just to suck Dempsey's butt. Be a man you little bltch. Thanks.


And all of this because I asked you one little question about Dempsey. I never disrespected you or him. Just asked you one little question and gave my opinion on it with quotations directly from Dempsey, and that hurt your feelings so damn much that you had to attack me and another poster who again just asked you one simple question that you couldn't answer because it exposed you

[Willie Pep 229]

No one gives a fvvck what you think. That you have to pretend we are the same poster shows what a pathetic poster you are.

"Wahhhhhhhh, more than one poster called me out for my idiocy. It can't be that I'm simply an idiot. It has to be they are the same poster."

If you think we are the same poster, take it up with the mods and get one or both of us banned. Matter of fact, feel free to put a permanent ban bet on it. If you're right, I'll gladly leave this forum forever. If you're wrong, I won't expect an apology because the billion times I have proven you wrong here when you attack my character you have never apologized. But you get your panties in a knot when I return fire and you play like you're a fcvcking victim. But feel free to buzz off forever if you are wrong. Deal?

Maybe we aren't trying to make ourselves look good. Maybe you just easily look bad with your Dempsey butt licking and other shlt that makes no sense just to suck Dempsey's butt. Be a man you little bltch. Thanks.


And all of this because I asked you one little question about Dempsey. I never disrespected you or him. Just asked you one little question and gave my opinion on it with quotations directly from Dempsey, and that hurt your feelings so damn much that you had to attack me and another poster who again just asked you one simple question that you couldn't answer because it exposed you

Then stop asking me trap questions. - didn t read past the first line so stop wasting your time.

[travestyny]

Then stop asking me trap questions. - didn t read past the first line so stop wasting your time.

No one asked you a "trap question." If you have trouble answering simple questions, that's on you. Stop thinking there is some kind of conspiracy going on just because you find it difficult to answer questions when the truth leads you to a place that's not where you want to go.

[Hooded Terror]

I always felt Duva was all in with Whitaker and less respectful of Taylor. The timing of the Chavez fights in particluiar.

IMO Duva manged, positioned, protected Whitaker better than Taylor.

But then again maybe that's just 20-20 hindsight fooling me.

But the Duvas, Lou and promoter son Dan, gave Whitaker the better 'Chavez' to get; felt like Taylor got fed to the HBO/Don King 'Chavez Show' when Chavez was peaking.

Later Whitaker got the mega fight and a worn Chavez.

Duva could have switched those two at the time of Chavez-Taylor (I).

I wonder.

Of course, if we swapped them then we'd be doing lightweight or super lightweight, and Pea too would be right in his focused prime, sans the makings of his potbelly. I personally think Whitaker would wash Chavez back in 1990. On another note, how did you score Chavez-Whitaker?

[Willie Pep 229]

Of course, if we swapped them then we'd be doing lightweight or super lightweight, and Pea too would be right in his focused prime, sans the makings of his potbelly. I personally think Whitaker would wash Chavez back in 1990. On another note, how did you score Chavez-Whitaker?

I don't believe in scoring close fights. I am an advocate of NDs.

E.g. Lopez-Kambosos - to me that fight came down K scoring a flash KD early and opening a cut late. Lopez had the dominate KD in the middle rounds. To me that fight was a draw. To take away that much from Lopez, based on K getting one more 10-9 round on the judges score cards is not the way to judge a prize fight IMO.

If you're into pretending boxing is a 'sport' then you buy into that kind of scoring. I saw a draw.

With Whitaker-Chavez it came down to Whitaker stopping the freight train Chavez, which no one had done up to that point. His ability to neutralize Chavez (via the anticipation game) was enough for everyone to say Whitaker "dominated him."

Not in my book. Once Whitaker had neutralized Chavez's attack he was satisfied and avoided moving forward.

To me Whitaker-Chavez was a draw as well. This time the numbers just happened to come out that way, they usually don't, usually ending up like Lopez-Kambosos.

I thought Taylor gave us a much better fight than Whitaker did.

I am not big on boxing, I recognize that boxing is the martial art used to win prize gights, but I judge who won the 'fight' not who looked to be the better boxer.

Whitaker needed to do more than just neutralize Chavez, he needed to take it to him. He didn't.

Really great fighters finish the job, or at least try to, today boxers wait for the judges to tell them they won.

[Hooded Terror]

I don't believe in scoring close fights. I am an advocate of NDs.

E.g. Lopez-Kambosos - to me that fight came down K scoring a flash KD early and opening a cut late. Lopez had the dominate KD in the middle rounds. To me that fight was a draw. To take away that much from Lopez, based on K getting one more 10-9 round on the judges score cards is not the way to judge a prize fight IMO.

If you're into pretending boxing is a 'sport' then you buy into that kind of scoring. I saw a draw.

With Whitaker-Chavez it came down to Whitaker stopping the freight train Chavez, which no one had done up to that point. His ability to neutralize Chavez (via the anticipation game) was enough for everyone to say Whitaker "dominated him."

Not in my book. Once Whitaker had neutralized Chavez's attack he was satisfied and avoided moving forward.

To me Whitaker-Chavez was a draw as well. This time the numbers just happened to come out that way, they usually don't, usually ending up like Lopez-Kambosos.

I thought Taylor gave us a much better fight than Whitaker did.

I am not big on boxing, I recognize that boxing is the martial art used to win prize gights, but I judge who won the 'fight' not who looked to be the better boxer.

Whitaker needed to do more than just neutralize Chavez, he needed to take it to him. He didn't.

Really great fighters finish the job, or at least try to, today boxers wait for the judges to tell them they won.

One of the most revealing and intelligent posts I have ever read, dating back to my old 2004 ESB days (under another guise). And interesting, too. As I read it I started rethinking bouts and how they'd turn out using your approach. I have an old buddy who is a very busy fight judge. I can only imagine his response to your approach, and at the same time, wonder if that pre-judge part of him wouldn't agree with you. Thank you for giving me something worthwhile to think about.

[QueensburyRules]

One of the most revealing and intelligent posts I have ever read, dating back to my old 2004 ESB days (under another guise). And interesting, too. As I read it I started rethinking bouts and how they'd turn out using your approach. I have an old buddy who is a very busy fight judge. I can only imagine his response to your approach, and at the same time, wonder if that pre-judge part of him wouldn't agree with you. Thank you for giving me something worthwhile to think about.

- - If you properly score even rounds, something discouraged by todays system of scoring, the even rounds approximate most disputed decision margins that were given to the winner of the bout.

I say most because Boxing is the only sport I know of where so many rules may be ignored in order to give the favored fighter the win, something that the best scoring cannot overcome.