Who Was The Most Complete Heavyweight Champ Skill Wise?

[Ivich]

Gene Tunney

One loss to an ATG; one KD by one of the hardest ****ers all time.

Kd twice ,once very early in his career.Not thoroughly tested at heavyweight imo.

[Willie Pep 229]

Kd twice ,once very early in his career.Not thoroughly tested at heavyweight imo.

What fight? - over on the Boxrec forum we created a list of all the lineal champions KDs, we found only one for Tunney.

Show me some proof and I'll update the list!

[Ivich]

What fight? - over on the Boxrec forum we created a list of all the lineal champions KDs, we found only one for Tunney.

Show me some proof and I'll update the list!

I'll try and find it .Leo Houck dropped him to one knee in their 2nd fight7th Dec 1920 Box rec

[Nash out]

Tyson Fury. Inside, outside, orthodox, southpaw. Complete fighter. Nobody mention the Cunningham fight, embarrassing when people do, at least 15 HW in the world at that time beat that version of Fury. Pajkic almost did just a short while earlier, and was having poor fights with the likes of Firtha, Johnson, Rogan, etc, at similar time period. I'm talking prime Fury. Nash out.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'll try and find it .Leo Houck dropped him to one knee in their 2nd fight7th Dec 1920 Box rec

Ok cool I'll go looking too.

[mrbig1]

I take it no one is saying Ali because of the lack of power?

[DeeMoney]

I take it no one is saying Ali because of the lack of power?

I think nobody is going to say Ali because most view his success as being based on athletic ability (speed, quickness, reflexes, etc), as opposed to skill- ie boxing technique and ability outside of athleticism. Many traditionalists view Ali to have poor skills in some aspects because he did things 'wrong', meaning it went against the accepted style of what should be done.

Coincidentally, lack of power would, or at least should, not downgrade Ali too much in this discussion, as that too relies a fair amount on overall athleticism. Although there is a great amount of technique required in delivering said power.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'll try and find it .Leo Houck dropped him to one knee in their 2nd fight7th Dec 1920 Box rec

Looks like Leo Hauck foght under the name Leo Houck after a reporter misspelled it in the newspapers. Seems he liked it better.

Guy has a great resume, gave many big names a tough fight. Glad you introduced him to me.

Can't find any evidence (yet) of a KD. He and Tunney had two NWS decisions, one a draw (6) the other a Tunney victory (8).

Tunney was just starting out, and Hauck was near the end.

[mrbig1]

I think nobody is going to say Ali because most view his success as being based on athletic ability (speed, quickness, reflexes, etc), as opposed to skill- ie boxing technique and ability outside of athleticism. Many traditionalists view Ali to have poor skills in some aspects because he did things 'wrong', meaning it went against the accepted style of what should be done.

Coincidentally, lack of power would, or at least should, not downgrade Ali too much in this discussion, as that too relies a fair amount on overall athleticism. Although there is a great amount of technique required in delivering said power.

That was well said my friend. I would have to agree. On the other hand, he can do everything wrong and still make it right. In his era Jim Corbett was a very skilled fighter. His fight with Jeffries was a one-sided beat down. Corbett punched himself beating Jeffries for 23 rounds. Joe Louis speed, power, what's not to love. Also, I'm tore up really bad. peace.

[Ivich]

Looks like Leo Hauck foght under the name Leo Houck after a reporter misspelled it in the newspapers. Seems he liked it better.

Guy has a great resume, gave many big names a tough fight. Glad you introduced him to me.

Can't find any evidence (yet) of a KD. He and Tunney had two NWS decisions, one a draw (6) the other a Tunney victory (8).

Tunney was just starting out, and Hauck was near the end.

The Jersey Journal reports Houck was floored in the 7th round, but dropped Tunney to one knee in the 9th.