Those two times George Godfrey was champion

[travestyny]

You got on here at 3:00AM just to say that? Petty.

What does the time have to do with it. Nothing petty about it. I was awake taking care of some shlt.

[travestyny]

You laid out the groundwork to make this about Dempsey, just own it. This was another virtue signal for the usual suspects to come on here and shyt on Dempsey as usual, you blew the dog whistle and look who came running just like the lost puppy he is. Like tossing bloody fish in the water and the sharks come running. You knew what you were doing, now you want to gaslight me and tell me I'm the one who is a crybaby. You're a guy who loses his temper at the slightest slight. Other posters have had to point this out to you.

Carry on with your thread T-bagged is attempting to hijack into another Wills/Dempsey Vietnam.

LMAO. You are the only one hi******* the thread. I had no interest in posting in this thread (or the ducking thread, by the way). Just saw you post some foolishness and asked you about it after you hijacked it with your crying. Told you I was stepping back out of it right after you answer or fail to answer. And of course you failed to answer.

He pegged you perfectly with his post on page 2. You are sad and super ****ing emotional over any perceived slight regarding Dempsey, and there wasn't even much here. It's pitiful. At this point, I'm pretty sure you have a vahgina with Dempsey's name on it.


Look how you think people are in cohorts against you and Dempsey. I'm supposedly ShoulderRoll, Chollo, and Siablo....and Marchegiano is sending me signals to step in here and rag on Dempsey in a thread that isn't even about Dempsey? You are seriously fvvcked in the head.

[GhostofDempsey]

LMAO. You are the only one hi******* the thread. I had no interest in posting in this thread (or the ducking thread, by the way). Just saw you post some foolishness and asked you about it after you hijacked it with your crying. Told you I was stepping back out of it right after you answer or fail to answer. And of course you failed to answer.

He pegged you perfectly with his post on page 2. You are sad and super ****ing emotional over any perceived slight regarding Dempsey, and there wasn't even much here. It's pitiful. At this point, I'm pretty sure you have a vahgina with Dempsey's name on it.


Look how you think people are in cohorts against you and Dempsey. I'm supposedly ShoulderRoll, Chollo, and Siablo....and Marchegiano is sending me signals to step in here and rag on Dempsey in a thread that isn't even about Dempsey? You are seriously fvvcked in the head.

Once you see a Dempsey related thread (or one that’s not even about him) you come running. Here you are!

And yes, you use alts, like this one where classy language and font is the same from two different accounts.

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[Willie Pep 229]

So firstly, obviously he's not a recognized champion so in either case it's to be taken as interesting not so much an argument for Godfrey to be recognized.

In about 1925 George Godfrey is pushing for a fight between himself and Jack Dempsey or Harry Wills. Both have squeezed him out.

Before I go on let me point out myself, George Godfrey was a part of the Jack Dempsey team. He was signed to Kearns, and Daugherty and was used in a few Dempsey camps to mixed results. It seems like they wanted him to seem unbeatable by any man not named Dempsey. So when either or both are doing press releases "pushing" for a Dempsey fight it's super respectful to Dempsey and more like George has earned the shot sort of stuff. There was an incident when they discharged Godfrey from camp for KO'ing Dempsey and ran a story that said it was Dempsey who had hurt Godfrey too much to cover Dempsey's image.

So in a very weird way it's not really a Dempsey fight per-se they want for George so much as a title fight, and, wanting someone they control already as the next champion.

Jimmy being an inside man does a series of press releases that basically say Jack Dempsey is retired and it's time to find a new champion.

Renault was another who had been pushing for a title fight and his block wasn't Wills but rather Godfrey. Beat Godfrey and we'll give you Jack kinda deal.

With Jack Dempsey not being sure he's coming back to boxing and Wills feeling no need to fight anyone but Jack Dempsey because he feels he has long proven he is the most legitimate contender, and Tunney looking to make his way to the title without fighting a black man there wasn't much room for a vacant fight between the top rated men of 1925.

What happens next is kind of dirty for all parties except the team behind Jack Dempsey.

They usurp Dempsey(C) by stating in the press their fighter has retired, then they rationalize away Tunney(2) and Wills(1) with the old they're being prima donas routine and set up Renault (3) with Godfrey (5) as a HW title fight.

No one cared, everyone saw Jack as the champion still and after a few short months the team had given up on Godfrey as champion because Jack had voiced interest in returning next year.



The next case is way shorter to explain:

in 1935, a clean decade later, Godfrey would beat Pierre Charles for the IBU version of the World title. He'd be stripped almost immediately for refusing to pay sanctioning fees and it wouldn't be long after that he'd retire.

Second try - I just wrote a long post that disappeared into the ether- if a second similar post should suddenly appear, sorry.

IMO in the 1920s there was only room for one 'colored' contender at a time. It is unrealistic to think Godfrey could have gotten a shot at Dempsey without first taking out Wills.

I agree with you that by '22 Wills was running his career as a contender and was picking and choosing his (limited) fights accordingly.

Wills was no longer a mere 'Negro' fighter hacking out a living one fight after another, e.g Langford Wills was a legit contender.

But in white society there was only room for one Black contender.

This is best exemplified by the way Wills virtually disappears from the newspapers in the late fall ('22) after Battling Siki KOs Carpentier.

The newspapers went Siki-Dempsey crazy for three months, and during this period the whole world, i.e. the newspapers suddenly forgot there was a Harry Wills. There was a new and more exotic Negro to call for Dempsey to cross the color line with.

Siki gets stripped; Dempsey signs to fight Gibbons; and Wills is left odd man out.

But I just can't see Godfrey having any chance of getting a Dempsey fight so long a Wills was in the picture. There was only room for one 'colored' contender in 1920s America.

[travestyny]

Once you see a Dempsey related thread (or one that’s not even about him) you come running. Here you are!

And yes, you use alts, like this one where classy language and font is the same from two different accounts.

LMAO. So now I'm "Dosumptin" Why would I need to have an alt, clown? What purpose would it even serve? You're a moron.


The only thing I'm guilty of is using the same language that posters use toward me. ADP first began with the big and colored fonts, and that's why I would write the same way back toward him. You can still see his big colored font recently when he came back....but I guess I'm ADP and arguing with myself too, huh?

[travestyny]

Once you see a Dempsey related thread (or one that’s not even about him) you come running. Here you are!

And yes, you use alts, like this one where classy language and font is the same from two different accounts.

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And for the record, we were mimicking this guy:

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But I guess I was arguing with myself, huh? Don't quit your day job, Sherlock Holmes.

[Marchegiano]

In regards to the 1935 fight it looks like Godfrey didn't think it much of a title; one certainly not worth paying good money to claim.

BTW with IBU, what's the U stand for, International Boxing _____?

Union ?

It's just conjecture but I think by that period Godfrey is just trying to make money.

There's a story about Dougerty, giving Godfrey a roll of 100, 1, dollar bills in a roll and laughing about how George never catches on regardless of gate size. That is in direct contradiction of other excuses used to justify Godfrey's upper-mid status of the period. For example I told Ghost the Sharkey fight may have been fixed with the reward of a higher paying fight. If Jimmy always just gave George a hundo roll then that carrot doesn't make sense.

That said, personally I lean more on the side of Godfrey not making money because there's little to suggest he did and then stuff like this where dude gets a status but refuses to pay for it. There is no question 1930s IBU had status, that's exactly how *******s got ranked. So to me it speaks volumes as to what Georges was paid or lack of.

I don't want to sidebar too much on IBU importance but fact is as fascism grew in europe the ******* vote for ratings took majority control of the IBU and then got their champions in the American picture. I'm not saying Max didn't beat Joe's ass or that Max only beat up Joe because of secrete **** stuff, just that Max wouldn't have gotten such good rating from the French without France losing votes to the Spanish, Italians, and Germans, all of which were more apt to vote for their political allies. Carpentier is what happens when France controls the IBU. And the same, I don't say that to allude to George not deserving his career, I recognize the allusion is there but I have no statement to make outside of it's pretty obvious the IBU was a viable means to the NSYAC/NBA champion, especially by 35. I've not done any real research to see if the *******s did more than control a vote and I do not think controlling votes is corruption so much as natural nepotism; no one to blame and if there is then the French are just as guilty, well, probably.


Yeah, Union. The IBU is the modern EBU. The WBC is just the BBBoC, NYSAC, and IBU melding their world titles into one under the new name.

Second try - I just wrote a long post that disappeared into the ether- if a second similar post should suddenly appear, sorry.

IMO in the 1920s there was only room for one 'colored' contender at a time. It is unrealistic to think Godfrey could have gotten a shot at Dempsey without first taking out Wills.

I agree with you that by '22 Wills was running his career as a contender and was picking and choosing his (limited) fights accordingly.

Wills was no longer a mere 'Negro' fighter hacking out a living one fight after another, e.g Langford Wills was a legit contender.

But in white society there was only room for one Black contender.

This is best exemplified by the way Wills virtually disappears from the newspapers in the late fall ('22) after Battling Siki KOs Carpentier.

The newspapers went Siki-Dempsey crazy for three months, and during this period the whole world, i.e. the newspapers suddenly forgot there was a Harry Wills. There was a new and more exotic Negro to call for Dempsey to cross the color line with.

Siki gets stripped; Dempsey signs to fight Gibbons; and Wills is left odd man out.

But I just can't see Godfrey having any chance of getting a Dempsey fight so long a Wills was in the picture. There was only room for one 'colored' contender in 1920s America.

IMO, Tex wanted Tunney in there with Dempsey, Dougherty wanted Godfrey to be the next champion, and Kearns just wanted JD to keep fighting. There's really no push for Godfrey-Dempsey, it's more a push for Godfrey in a title picture. Which is weird, but, remember Jack was on hiatus. The idea was if JD isn't boxing GG should be in the vacant fight because Wills and Tunney are ducking him, and yeah, it's a lot more directed at Wills and Tunney than Dempsey. Godfrey can lick anyone outside of Dempsey and Wills/Tunney unwillingness to match him was the proof kind of narrative.

Godfrey-Dempsey is really only a hot topic while Godfrey is in camp with Dempsey and slips up. He denies hurting the champion a bunch of times but the reporter doesn't let up and when he asked how Dempsey gets up from being hurt Godfrey let slip what amounts to 'just like any other man' which alludes to Jack having been down in front of GG and they just ran with that in the press. There's no, that I know of, serious attempt to pair GG and JD, there's a half-assed attempt to swerve Tunney and Wills with GG and Renault but even while they're doing that they claim Jack's the true champion and George is the second place if Jack stays away champion....yeah, bit like Siki really, hot ticket in the press for a minute but not much else.


Wills is another story. Dougherty campaigned for Wills. I think there was a real belief GG could play blocker for JD and beat the Panther, but, Brown Panther wasn't playing games, it was Dempsey or piss off time.

Tunney, to my understanding, was the other guy they felt GG could stop before getting to Jack but Tunney was only entertaining the idea of Wills if any black man and of course that never happened either.

[GhostofDempsey]

And for the record, we were mimicking this guy:

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But I guess I was arguing with myself, huh? Don't quit your day job, Sherlock Holmes.

Sure you were. You're exposed.

[travestyny]

Sure you were. You're exposed.

Keep dreaming

I don't need an alt to beat up on you. Repeatedly. But but but...I'm shoulderRoll, Dosumptin, Siablo, and Chollo.

At this point, I think you are 1sad. Since you guys let posters fuvvck with your heads so much that you see them everywhere