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    Here in this thread I'd like as many examples of ducking as possible. There are no rules, there's no verifying or arguing about who had a good reason and who didn't. I don't want eye of the beholder debates, just X may have ducked Y and whatever evidence you want to bring.

    The purpose is it's like every day I read a new duck story and just talking about them causes debates when a lot of the time what I'd really like to know is more about ducking in general in the era and less about the particular case.

    We've done Dempsey-Wills to death and I've never once seen Godfrey's name in any of it. It's not that y'all dance around the subject so much as get caught up in one aspect of it, and, that aspect is more a personal choice than information gained. Pretty much all of us look a little deeper than what is posted then comes back with our own take. So your take is less important than pointing out the duck in the first place.

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    The above will get an edit as the thread grows into whatever it'll be, meantime, here is the list of quackers so far:



    Braddock ducked Schmeling -- this was jingoism and Zionism at work. Although at the time I would have approved.

    Rid**** Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis

    Lewis ducked rematch with Vitali

    Floyd Mayweather ducked Amir Khan and rematch with Manny

    Carl Frampton ducked Rigondeaux

    Canelo ducked GGG in May 2016

    Wilder ducked Wlad, Whyte and Joshua (multiple times)

    Dempsey ducked Wills, Norfolk, Greb, Jeanette, Langford, Sharkey, Renault, and Godfrey.

    Wills ducked Godfrey and Dempsey

    Tunney ducked Wills and Godfrey and every black man who ever challenged him

    Marciano ducked Valdes

    Greb ducked Panama Joe Gans

    Joshua ducked Ortiz

    Fury ducked Wlad rematch

    Graziano ducked LaMotta

    Foreman ducked Shavers

    Sullivan ducked Godfrey

    RJJ ducked Dariusz Michalczewski

    Jack Johnson ducked Jack Blackburn and every other black challenger not named Battling Jim Johnson.

    Last edited by Marchegiano; 06-01-2021, 07:46 PM.

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    Rid**** Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis

    Lewis ducked rematch with Vitali

    Floyd Mayweather ducked Amir Khan and rematch with Manny

    Carl Frampton ducked Rigondeaux

    Canelo ducked GGG in May 2016

    Wilder ducked Wlad, Whyte and Joshua (multiple times)

    Just the first few that popped into my head.
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      #3
      No you need to set some standards for what constitutes a duck we have enough hate posts as it is . . .

      We don't know the details behind many of these accusations - it's too popular on this forum to assume if a fight (they wanted to see) didn't happen that the accused fighter is somehow a coward.

      At least show a logic as to why the fight should have happened or why you think it didn't happen -- a little history please, not just lists.

      I think . . .

      Braddock ducked Schmeling -- this was jingoism and Zionism at work. Although at the time I would have approved.

      My detailed argument linked below. . .


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        #4
        Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
        No you need to set some standards for what constitutes a duck we have enough hate posts as it is . . .

        We don't know the details behind many of these accusations - it's too popular on this forum to assume if a fight (they wanted to see) didn't happen that the accused fighter is somehow a coward.

        At least show a logic as to why the fight should have happened or why you think it didn't happen -- a little history please, not just lists.

        I think . . .

        Braddock ducked Schmeling -- this was jingoism and Zionism at work. Although at the time I would have approved.

        My detailed argument linked below. . .

        Y'all can devise standards and I'll impose them on the opening post, I am kind of just after that blame myself, I'll decide on a personal level if I reckon it's a duck, but, as far as I'm concerned anyone with any reason has plenty reason to post what ducks they will.

        Like for example as a Marciano fan I've heard basically since day one Marciano ducked Valdes. Most people don't agree, including me, and it seems more like a situation where folks saw a good name that isn't on the Marciano resume and that's all they needed to call duck. I'd call it not a duck but I'm definitely going to add it to the opener all the same.

        Tell me y'all criteria, I'll make the edit to the open so it's a known criteria.


        Thanks buds!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
          No you need to set some standards for what constitutes a duck we have enough hate posts as it is . . .

          We don't know the details behind many of these accusations - it's too popular on this forum to assume if a fight (they wanted to see) didn't happen that the accused fighter is somehow a coward.

          At least show a logic as to why the fight should have happened or why you think it didn't happen -- a little history please, not just lists.

          I think . . .

          Braddock ducked Schmeling -- this was jingoism and Zionism at work. Although at the time I would have approved.

          My detailed argument linked below. . .

          - -Fair enough, but not yet bludgeon enough to crack the thick craniums of Cro-Magnon boxing fans.

          GGG ducked the immediate Canelo rematch, but Canelo never ducked GGG at any time. He was involved with a civil suit involving All Star Promotions and Oscar that cost Canelo something like $6 mil in damages paid. All while in a heavily publicized dispute with El Puerco Para Vida, Mauricio and the WBC trying to dictate the terms and purses of the GGG fight. Canelo lost the battles in the clueless media and critics, but won the war with riches and accolades beyond measure as his own promotional company.

          Now, we do have proof that Daisy wanted to duck Daffy Duck in the worst way possible, and that she did...

          latest?cb=20170418135358.jpg

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            #6
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - -Fair enough, but not yet bludgeon enough to crack the thick craniums of Cro-Magnon boxing fans.

            GGG ducked the immediate Canelo rematch, but Canelo never ducked GGG at any time. He was involved with a civil suit involving All Star Promotions and Oscar that cost Canelo something like $6 mil in damages paid. All while in a heavily publicized dispute with El Puerco Para Vida, Mauricio and the WBC trying to dictate the terms and purses of the GGG fight. Canelo lost the battles in the clueless media and critics, but won the war with riches and accolades beyond measure as his own promotional company.

            Now, we do have proof that Daisy wanted to duck Daffy Duck in the worst way possible, and that she did...

            latest?cb=20170418135358.jpg
            Daisy Duck is Donald's b itch not Daffy's - Daffy's girls were named Melissa Duck and Duckfina.

            Disney takes its copyrights seriously don't be surprised if you get cease and desist letter.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
              Here in this thread I'd like as many examples of ducking as possible. There are no rules, there's no verifying or arguing about who had a good reason and who didn't. I don't want eye of the beholder debates, just X may have ducked Y and whatever evidence you want to bring.

              The purpose is it's like every day I read a new duck story and just talking about them causes debates when a lot of the time what I'd really like to know is more about ducking in general in the era and less about the particular case.

              We've done Dempsey-Wills to death and I've never once seen Godfrey's name in any of it. It's not that y'all dance around the subject so much as get caught up in one aspect of it, and, that aspect is more a personal choice than information gained. Pretty much all of us look a little deeper than what is posted then comes back with our own take. So your take is less important than pointing out the duck in the first place.

              ----------------------------



              The above will get an edit as the thread grows into whatever it'll be, meantime, here is the list of quackers so far:



              Braddock ducked Schmeling -- this was jingoism and Zionism at work. Although at the time I would have approved.

              Rid**** Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis

              Lewis ducked rematch with Vitali

              Floyd Mayweather ducked Amir Khan and rematch with Manny

              Carl Frampton ducked Rigondeaux

              Canelo ducked GGG in May 2016

              Wilder ducked Wlad, Whyte and Joshua (multiple times)

              Dempsey ducked Wills, Norfolk, Greb, Jeanette, Langford, Sharkey, Renault, and Godfrey.

              Wills ducked Godfrey and Dempsey

              Tunney ducked Wills and Godfrey and every black man who ever challenged him

              Marciano ducked Valdes

              Greb ducked Panama Joe Gans

              Joshua ducked Ortiz

              Fury ducked Wlad rematch

              Graziano ducked LaMotta

              Foreman ducked Shavers

              Sullivan ducked Godfrey

              RJJ ducked Dariusz Michalczewski

              Jack Johnson ducked Jack Blackburn and every other black challenger not named Battling Jim Johnson.
              What do you know about Graziano and LaMotta? I would like to hear that story; never knew that a fight was considered.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                What do you know about Graziano and LaMotta? I would like to hear that story; never knew that a fight was considered.
                Well then this is really going to be disappointing because I know **** all. Personally, I reckon it's just an internet rumor

                Not terribly long ago I chanced across a thread with this in it:
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                Lamotta offered the fight to Graziano and Graziano turned it down.
                Why did Rocky Graziano never fight Jake LaMotta? - Boxing Forum (krikya360.com)

                It's a two page thread without much more substance, usual distracted argument stuff. You will get through it quickly.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post

                  Well then this is really going to be disappointing because I know **** all. Personally, I reckon it's just an internet rumor

                  Not terribly long ago I chanced across a thread with this in it:


                  Why did Rocky Graziano never fight Jake LaMotta? - Boxing Forum (krikya360.com)

                  It's a two page thread without much more substance, usual distracted argument stuff. You will get through it quickly.
                  I went through the thread and did a touch of outside looking - seems there is much conjecture at play. One story has Graziano punching a tree to deliberately break his hand to get out of a fight with LaMotta. Why people buy into these stories is beyond me.

                  Conventional wisdom seems to be that Graziano and LaMotta were signed to fight in 1950 but it was called off do to Graziano's injury.

                  None if it makes any sense since Graziano fights nine times in 1950.

                  There is a small gap from early December 1949 to early March 1950 were he doesn't fight but it's hard to see how this window of inactivity fits with an injured hand unless they were slated to fight in January 1950 -- maybe?
                  Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 06-02-2021, 12:55 AM.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                    I went through the thread and did a touch of outside looking - seems there is much conjecture at play. One story has Graziano punching a tree to deliberately break his hand to get out of a fight with LaMotta. Why people buy into these stories is beyond me.
                    I read that myself. Wasn't sure if it was complete bull

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