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Jersey Joe Walcott vs. George Foreman
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I’m not seeing a path to victory for Walcott. If each of them is at their best, I think Foreman is just a bridge too far.
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People love to create this narrative that Young beating Foreman was happanstance, some foible involving Foreman... Like the crowd that says similar things about Foreman versus Ali... NO, Foreman is not this fighter who showed up unprepared, or who gave opponents opportunities. If one is going to use the Jimmy Young fight to buttress this idea that Foreman is beatable, that is a logical fallacy. If Young was not robbed in the Norton and Ali fights he would probably have the best record of any heavyweight at the time when the division was arguably the best ever... So No!! Foreman losing to Young does not tell us that he would be victimized by a fellow great fighter Joe Walcott.
Let me spell it out here so there is no confusion: Young is chronically underrated, just look at his fights and his record when he was at his best. Losing to Young as a guage for Foreman, would be analogous to Dempsey losing to Tunney and people saying, Jack was just not good against fighters that moved, could hit, and were ATG level... In either case, Tunney, or Young, your talking about a great fighter winning... Just ask virtually all the great heavyweights at that time sans Frazier, because Young beat them all.
Foreman, like Liston (his mentor) was a big imposing puncher... Louis was a technical marvel and one of the very best punchers ever, but sauce for Louis is not sauce for Foreman... different problems entirely for Walcott. If we want precedent for this fight? leave Young alone and look at Patterson versus Liston, Frazier versus Foreman, and yes...Simon versus Walcott. Patterson had similar strengths and weaknesses that Walcott had. Sometimes size matters, sometime it doesn't and sometimes people confuse weight as the final word about size... In this instance, Foreman could weight 180 and given his skeletal size, his neck, legs, etc... He is a big heavyweight, a bruiser. As a matter of fact, lets look at a fight that might give another great clue to this match up: marciano, a premier pressure fighter versus Walcott. Marciano didn't have the size of Foreman but was relentless. Walcott eventually folded. George is Krypton to Walcott. He is big, strong and cuts the ring well against smaller boxers. Walcott gets beat either like Liston beat patterson, or like Marciano beat him.Last edited by billeau2; 04-10-2023, 09:36 PM.them_apples likes this.
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Originally posted by The D3vil View PostWalcott was a brilliant fighter, but pre-Ali George was just a wrecking machine who beats just about anyone ever
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Foreman . walcott probably sets him up and tags him pretty nice, but it won't be enough to stop George, who would eventually get to Walcott and stop him.
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