Greater fighter: Fury or Andre Ward?

[Imaboxingfan]

Probably Ward, because he was coming on strong and Kovalev was looking ragged and fatigued. But Kovalev looked exhausted and out on his feet against Yarde, yet he managed to hang on, get his second wind, and win, so who really knows?



Interesting question.

Imo, Ward's best wins were Froch and Kovalev. I don't think either of them are sure-fire HOF'ers, so I would say no. What do you think?

Good points all around. Froch is certainly wards best win. I think furys best is wlad. I think on paper ward has done more so far. I feel that fury has done great things on the road against the odds and its a close race depending on how you look at it

[kafkod]

Good points all around. Froch is certainly wards best win. I think furys best is wlad. I think on paper ward has done more so far. I feel that fury has done great things on the road against the odds and its a close race depending on how you look at it

OK, that's a fair opinion, and I can understand your reasoning so I'm not going to argue against it. Do you think Froch and Kovalev will get in the HOF?

[Boxing_1013]

I have no qualm having a different opinion about a fighter, but your understanding of the judges is a bone to pick.

Most of Wards wins did not need a scorecard to assess the fight. Yes Kovalev was an exception. All great fighters get a decision going their way on occasion: Lewis against mercer, mayweather, on several occasions... Ward was not like Sven Ottki who really needed hometown cooking.

Ward was dominant in most his wins. It is also an exxageration when people say Ward would have been disqualified. Evander Hollyfield used his head as a ram, and was never called on it. Ward is gritty and he is a southpaw, which makes entanglements occur.

I actually like some good dirty boxing, and I agree that it is part of the game...the line between a clean punch and dirty can be small at times...who headbutted who can be up for debate etc.

My issue with Ward, vs other 'dirty' fighters...is vs top level guys, I still saw some great skills from guys like BHop and Evander...some call Maidana dirty so I could throw him in there as well...I really think those guys did some great things boxing wise...Ward, I mean he can have a pretty good jab sometimes...but against good competition, I just never saw the good skills man..just have to be honest...it was always a struggle for him.

And I made a post before...I thought Bika and Barrera were very competitive fights...I could see a draw there or a 7-5 win for Ward, based on my recollection...but at home, he gets 11-1 cards...guys who fight away all the time, or neutral, they don't get those breaks, and get losses and draws in those fights.

The first Kov fight was a very bad decision...you can't find 7 rounds for Ward...the 2nd fight, the number of low blows, and the fact that it ended on 2 low blows...I mean it just taints it man...I would say that for ANYONE who won that way...I'm not hating on Ward there...I don't really have a big rooting interest for anyone anymore.

But in Fury/Wilder for example...if Fury won at the end with 2 low blows...I would say - you can't end a fight like that...it would taint the win, especially if the rest of the fight was close...which I felt fight 2, Kov was still outboxing Ward, but it was a more competitive fight through 7 rounds compared to fight 1.

Idk man...as I said before...when I look at his fights with Dawson, Kessler, kov 1, Kov 2, Froch, Bika and Barrera...some say he was 7-0 in those fights....even 6-1 in those is crazy to me.

If I had to score/ref those and was trying to be neutral...Dawson of course is a win...but he did drain him 7 pounds...Kessler or Kov, give him one win and DQ him in the other, I think that is fair enough...Kov 1 he lost clearly....Froch he won pretty clearly...Bika and Barrera I would give him 1 win and 1 draw.

That's 4-2-1...and that's like a pretty favorable score for him imho...you could say he should have 2 DQs or 2 draws etc...idk man I just never really have understood the fawning over him, and the belief that he dominated at any time really in any of those fights.

You have to give him like 90% of the close rounds for him to win those fights...and then ignore some constant illegal sh.it to keep him from getting DQd in 2/3 others...and again I like some good dirty stuff on occasion...but when you do it all the time, and get away with it at home, and get incredible cards bc you are at home...and never travel, and never really separate in those fights vs good fighters, and need favorable judging or reffing...idk man I just really don't get it.

All we can do is call it like we see it however...if you see it differently, fair enough.

[Boxing_1013]

Can play devils advocate. Deduct points from ward and give kovalev 5 min to rest who wins?

Fury beat a sure hof in wlad. Do you think ward beat any sure hof guys?

On the bold...that is kind of my point with that fight.

Reasonable people can differ about what happened before that...some could say Ward, after getting warned once early, should have been warned again and taken points off even before the two at the end.

Some may say he should not have.

But there is no way imo that the fight should end like that...give Kov his 5 minutes, give Ward his final warning on low blows...and let them finish it out...that should be fair enough...no one should WANT to win like that.

[A-Wolf]

The UK fans still crying about what happened to Kessler... Priceless. Kessler had no chance of winning that fight. NONE. And yet they still whined that Ward had "cheated." This is where many lost all credibility for a lifetime.

[AKAcronym]

The UK fans still crying about what happened to Kessler... Priceless. Kessler had no chance of winning that fight. NONE. And yet they still whined that Ward had "cheated." This is where many lost all credibility for a lifetime.

Why would UK fans cry about a guy from Denmark?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yet he still managed to fight the best in his division...go figure. I don't compare fighters this way, it is silly. I don't think one can compare the two. different divisions have different considerations. as stated in earlier post... Its like saying whats better chocolate or ***?

There's a lot to be said about fighters getting themselves on foreign soil. And objection to ne made of men who fight only on home soil.

Ward is the beneficiary of one of the worst decisions of recent history. And Fury's the victim of one of the worst.

Fury's 100 pounds heavier and just as good defensively.

Fury's the best Heavyweight ever. Ward didn't even want to be a real Light Heavyweight.

The comparison is easy. The disparity obvious.

[Godsfly]

Fury once almost knocked himself out with his own glove ......u would have to be an absolute bias idiot to think that fury is anywhere near ward 😂

[Rusty Tromboni]

This has to be the most ignorant post of all time on BS! Lmmfao!

What about Otto Wallin? Could he last 12 with Fury?

You're why ******** should be a spectator sport.


Yeah, I'd say Fury fought Wallin like he fought Wilder in the rematch.... just like locche fought like Pryor.

Didn't Wilder last the distance with Fury... scoring knockdowns along the way? What'd that mean for the rematch.

Like I said, i loooooooove ********.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Fury once almost knocked himself out with his own glove ......u would have to be an absolute bias idiot to think that fury is anywhere near ward 😂

Ward needed a kock shot to "win" his biggest fight. He never fought a Klitchko, Wallin or Wilder.

He's a chump. An even bigger chump than other over glorified hacks like Charles and Ali.