Stop the ******ity, Fury is not lineal.

[1hourRun]

That Gorilla whipped him and became the man though.

Thats how it works, yes. There was no reset in the lineage despite Ali's absence from the sport as he fought and won his federal trial in court. TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOT TO BEAT THE MAN.

[siablo14]

Thats how it works, yes. There was no reset in the lineage despite Ali's absence from the sport as he fought and won his federal trial in court. TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOT TO BEAT THE MAN.

But lineage is the man who beat the man. Fury did that and hasn't been beaten since.

[1hourRun]

But lineage is the man who beat the man. Fury did that and hasn't been beaten since.

Yes Tyson Fury is lineal, I agree. I thought your were going to tell me hes part Jamaican too. lol.

[siablo14]

Yes Tyson Fury is lineal, I agree. I thought your were going to tell me hes part Jamaican too. lol.

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[Cobra Curry]

I have always backed Fury's lineal claim and didn't take much notice of his retirement.
The PED ban is a problem though. Surely we can't allow that to go unpunished?

[MDPopescu]

But lineage is the man who beat the man. Fury did that and hasn't been beaten since.

... Fury is the "poetic lineal", indeed...

[siablo14]

... Fury is the "poetic lineal", indeed...

Right but that's all lineage means. It doesn't mean that's the best fighter at the moment. Remember when Shannon Briggs got it because Foreman chose to fight him instead of Lennox or Evander.

[OnePunch]

who cares? Eventually the Wilder-Fury winner will fight AJ, and then lineal is settled.

[Marchegiano]

Does anyone know the function of claims? Does anyone understand what a claimant is?

There's your answer right there Robbie. When did Floyd Mayweather ever claim to be lineal? Tyson Fury did.

You want some precedence and history or is it good enough that I tell you this is the difference?

[DuckAdonis]

Yup this is true....Tyson Fury is not recognised as the lineal Champion TODAY. he lost his lineal title when he retired...he WAS the lineal Champion till 2016. Just look at this list of lineal champions. The lineal Championship is vacant right now:

Lineal champions at Heavyweight-
United States- John L. Sullivan (1885–1892)
United States- James J. Corbett (1892–1897)
United Kingdom- Bob Fitzsimmons (1897–1899)
United States- James J. Jeffries (1899–1905; retired)
United States- Marvin Hart (1905–1906)
Canada- Tommy Burns (1906–1908)
United States- Jack Johnson (1908–1915)
United States- Jess Willard (1915–1919)
United States- Jack Dempsey (1919–1926)
United States- Gene Tunney (1926–1928; retired)
Germany- Max Schmeling (1930–1932)
United States- Jack Sharkey (1932–1933)
Italy- Primo Carnera (1933–1934)
United States- Max Baer (1934–1935)
United States- James J. Braddock (1935–1937)
United States- Joe Louis (1937–1949; retired)
United States- Ezzard Charles (1949–1951)
United States- Jersey Joe Walcott (1951–1952)
United States- Rocky Marciano (1952–1956; retired)
United States- Floyd Patterson (1956–1959)
Sweden- Ingemar Johansson (1959–1960)
United States- Floyd Patterson (1960–1962)
United States- Sonny Liston (1962–1964)
United States- Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali (1964–1970; suspended)
United States- Joe Frazier (1970–1973)
United States- George Foreman (1973–1974)
United States- Muhammad Ali (1974–1978)
United States- Leon Spinks (1978)
United States- Muhammad Ali (1978–1979; retired)
United States- Larry Holmes (1980–1985)
United States- Michael Spinks (1985–1988)
United States- Mike Tyson (1988–1990)
United States- Buster Douglas (1990)
United States- Evander Holyfield (1990–1992)
United States- Rid**** Bowe (1992–1993)
United States- Evander Holyfield (1993–1994)
United States- Michael Moorer (1994)
United States- George Foreman (1994–1997)
United States- Shannon Briggs (1997–1998)
United Kingdom- Lennox Lewis (1998–2001)
United States- Hasim Rahman (2001)
United Kingdom- Lennox Lewis (2001–2004; retired)
Ukraine- Wladimir Klitschko (2009–2015)
United Kingdom- Tyson Fury (2015–2016; vacated)

"Tyson Fury (2015–2016; vacated)"
It has happened throughout history...when a fighter retires or gets suspended they lose their lineal title. This also happened to Fury, it's right there for anyone to see isn't it ? Why do you think that TRBR and The Ring don't recognise Tyson Fury as their lineal Champion anymore ? Because he isnt