Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[original zero]

Wrong!

For the excuse that Floyd used, it should NOT have been approved!


Who in their right mind thinks that someone who weighed in:
150 30 days out, 149, 2 weeks out, 148 1 week out needed an IV after weighing in at 146? WHO????

Floyd also came in at 149 on fight night after he said "I ate a lot and was extremely physically strong"?

Thank you for your amateur opinion based on having no access to any of the medical information.

The professionals with access to all of the medical information disagree with you.

The controversy is in your mind.

[ADP02]

Here is why you are wrong. Floyd and Manny had to answer very specific questions. One of the questions was, do you have a shoulder injury?

There was no question that said "predict if you're going to feel ill hours from now."

Floyd and Manny was supposed to mention all past and on-going medical conditions. Floyd couldn't urinate and give the DCO urine. That is an issue beforehand and persisted until after the weigh in. How can you forget about that on-going medical condition?

Look, I can play the same game as you. Manny can say, my doctor said it was a "rotator cuff" thing not a shoulder injury.

[original zero]

Floyd and Manny was supposed to mention all past and on-going medical conditions. Floyd couldn't urinate and give the DCO urine. That is an issue beforehand and persisted until after the weigh in. How can you forget about that on-going medical condition?

Look, I can play the same game as you. Manny can say, my doctor said it was a "rotator cuff" thing not a shoulder injury.

But you are an amateur offering a biased opinion based on nothing other than assumption and your pathetic hatred of Floyd. Have you read the questionnaire? I posted it for you. Did you read it?

The professionals with all of the information say it was answered correctly. Why am I supposed to care what an amateur with none of the information thinks?

[ADP02]

Thank you for your amateur opinion based on having no access to any of the medical information.

The professionals with access to all of the medical information disagree with you.

The controversy is in your mind.

The way to assess the degree of dehydration is by verifying the athletes weight before and after the medical condition occurred. All studies I read point to that being the most accurate way to assess then if possible, clinical signs.

USADA says the same freaking thing!!!

Here is what USADA said:
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid
•Do not restrict fluids before, during, or after the event
•Do not rely on thirst as an indicator"

Imagine, USADA brings up "for each pound lost" ==>> to just drink 3 cups of fluid!!!


How many cups did Floyd drink at the weigh in?





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[ADP02]

But you are an amateur offering a biased opinion based on nothing other than assumption and your pathetic hatred of Floyd. Have you read the questionnaire? I posted it for you. Did you read it?

The professionals with all of the information say it was answered correctly. Why am I supposed to care what an amateur with none of the information thinks?

Wait, are you not the one that called on your lawyers to read up on this scandal and then I had to show you that you were wrong on several occasions?

This is your new line of deflection, I see!

[original zero]

ADP -

Thank you for letting us know what USADA says on the matter. They are a leader in the field and I trust their opinion.

So since they say Floyd did nothing wrong and NSAC says Floyd did nothing wrong, there really is nothing to discuss.

You have limited information and you're trying to fill in the blanks to fit the vendetta you have. On top of that, you have no knowledge or experience in the field, so your interpretations of rules have been wildly off base.

Meanwhile, the professionals, who have all of the medical information, completely disagree with you. So it really doesn't matter what you say because nobody cares, you have no way of knowing, and the people that do know say you're wrong.

I've advised fighters that have fought in Nevada so *OF COURSE* my attorneys have read all of the forms and rules in Nevada. What idiot would have their client sign anything without having an attorney look it over? Use some common sense.

I know you think you've proven me wrong, but the problem for you is that you have no way of knowing what wrong is and those that do know say you're full of ****.

[Zaroku]

Wrong!

For the excuse that Floyd used, it should NOT have been approved!


Who in their right mind thinks that someone who weighed in:
150 30 days out, 149, 2 weeks out, 148 1 week out. weighing in at 146? Then we saw drinking his weigh back up to 147? 148? 149? Then needed an IV after? WHO????

Floyd also came in at 149 on fight night after he said "I ate a lot and was extremely physically strong"?


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It seems I am being ignored??

The NSAC can do what it wants. The NSAC can decide which evidence matters, which evidence the will review.

It is a moot point at the juncture..

Sad that people can't move on.

[ADP02]

ADP -

Thank you for letting us know what USADA says on the matter. They are a leader in the field and I trust their opinion.

So since they say Floyd did nothing wrong and NSAC says Floyd did nothing wrong, there really is nothing to discuss.

You have limited information and you're trying to fill in the blanks to fit the vendetta you have. On top of that, you have no knowledge or experience in the field, so your interpretations of rules have been wildly off base.

Meanwhile, the professionals, who have all of the medical information, completely disagree with you. So it really doesn't matter what you say because nobody cares, you have no way of knowing, and the people that do know say you're wrong.

I've advised fighters that have fought in Nevada so *OF COURSE* my attorneys have read all of the forms and rules in Nevada. What idiot would have their client sign anything without having an attorney look it over? Use some common sense.

I know you think you've proven me wrong, but the problem for you is that you have no way of knowing what wrong is and those that do know say you're full of ****.

You just keep on saying that like Lance Armstrong and his fans used to say it and guess what?

It took an outside force to get Lance but its more difficult in this case because Floyd limits his fights in Nevada and pays them off.


So how many fighters that you have advised have been tested by USADA and how many have had to use an IV and received it the way Floyd did?

If you say who you say you are, then you would know or at least talk to athletes not lawyers and ask them if it makes any sense?
Read what USADA stated. No athlete would be using an IV to rehydrate a few pounds when there are plenty of alternatives!!!



This is for a TUE. They are even more strict on Retroactive ones

The criteria are:
•The athlete would experience significant health problems without taking the prohibited substance or method;
•The the****utic use of the substance would not produce significant enhancement of performance;
•There is no reasonable the****utic alternative to the use of the otherwise prohibited substance or method;
•The requirement to use that substance or method is not due to the prior use of the substance or method without a TUE which was prohibited at the time of use.

For the TUE to be granted, all four criteria must be met.

[ADP02]

It seems I am being ignored??

The NSAC can do what it wants. The NSAC can decide which evidence matters, which evidence the will review.

It is a moot point at the juncture..

Sad that people can't move on.

Can we really say that for sure? 100% sure of that? Lance Armstrong got caught years later.

Who knows, one day, Ellerbe or Alex Ariza or Memo Heredia or someone else might spill the beans .... that is what happened to Lance. Can easily happen to Floyd.

but in my books, Floyd is guilty. You cannot be using an IV if you weighed in at relatively the same weight as 1, 2, 4 weeks earlier and all of a sudden say after the weigh in, I need an IV before giving the DCO complete urine sample. Out in the open like that?

Diego Corrales came in 2lbs overweight at the weigh in.
Floyd fans said he was OK (not severely dehydrated) because the next fight he was able to make weight. While that is BS logic, so did Floyd against Berto!

[Zaroku]

Can we really say that for sure? 100% sure of that? Lance Armstrong got caught years later.

Who knows, one day, Ellerbe or Alex Ariza or Memo Heredia or someone else might spill the beans .... that is what happened to Lance. Can easily happen to Floyd.

but in my books, Floyd is guilty. You cannot be using an IV if you weighed in at relatively the same weight as 1, 2, 4 weeks earlier and all of a sudden say after the weigh in, I need an IV before giving the DCO complete urine sample. Out in the open like that?

Diego Corrales came in 2lbs overweight at the weigh in.
Floyd fans said he was OK (not severely dehydrated) because the next fight he was able to make weight. While that is BS logic, so did Floyd against Berto!

Your book doesn't matter..

Nothing is ever certain. But this, isn't really an issue, like the false flag gulf of Tonkin incident that never happened. Freddy Roach said it was not a big deal. He had no issues with it.

Remember, big Bob Arum sued Floyd for less... And won!!

Now, would Bob crucify Floyd if there was an actual actionable issue(lawsuit worthy) ???

Yes he would. Bob would sue, quickly.. Why can't people understand simple things..

Bob would sue Floyd if he could... He did before..

Your points of view are moot... Bob being a lawyer would have had them adjudicated by this point..

If you gotta look up adjudicated... Talk to someone else