Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[ADP02]

And you're damn right that I've advised fighters to use IV to rehydrate. I'd say 90% of top fighters were rehydrating via IV after weigh-ins. It was standard procedure.

You did not answer this:

90%? Be honest,
How many was for just a few pounds of fluctuation?
How many got a TUE?
How many got a retroactive TUE?
How many were following WADA in regards to illegal methods?

[original zero]

ADP, I'm sorry, but you're simply too ****** to have a conversation with. I don't mean that to be mean. But you'll ask a direct question, I'll answer it directly and your response will be, "you didn't answer my question."

Or you'll say it doesn't matter if something is illegal because only NSAC can give a TUE . . . but if something is legal, a TUE is not needed.

I wish you nothing but the best and as an act of good faith, I'll answer your most recent post before I stop replying to your insanity.

USADA does not have the authority to exempt someone from an NSAC rule.

NSAC does not have the authority to tell USADA they can't exempt people from a USADA rule.

If USADA exempts someone from a USADA rule, that person would still have to comply with NSAC rules.

NSAC said that only NSAC can approve exemptions from NSAC rules, but NSAC rules allowed IVs and therefore it was none of NSAC's business.

I understand the leap in logic that you're trying to make, but since you don't know the rules and since you misinterpreted NSAC's statement, the conclusion you've come to is wildly off base.

Floyd did not find a loophole. IV was legal in Nevada. No loophole needed. No TUE needed.

But Floyd & Manny made a personal agreement between each other, that even though it was legal in Nevada, that USADA would have to bless IV use to make sure it was for medical reasons.

USADA granted the request.

There's really nothing else to it.

But I can't have a conversation anymore with someone who edits a quote to remove the answer I gave to their question so they can them claim I didn't answer it. If you're going to be that ridiculous, you're going to have to find somebody else willing to put up with your nonsense.

Take care.

[travestyny]

Well then, I presented you with 2 possible scenarios.
1) Floyd was concerned with the unexpected May 1st test not the expected May 2nd after the fight test. Perhaps they were not sure that they can pass the May 1st test but they could have ~30-36 hours later.
2) They have May 1st as proof that DCO was there to witness an IV. So they can now do another IV hidden and even if tests show concentrations of IV by-products, well, they can say its from May 1st IV.

Only Floyd can tell you exactly the scenarios .....



This study showed that all subjects had stable HT levels 8 hours after the 500 ml of saline infused.


"..... 500 ml of saline were infused around 8 am and Hb, Ht, and %retics were measured before and every hour thereafter until 7 hours after infusion. In addition Ht was measured on a hematological analyzer as well as with a centrifuge. In a separate experiment the effect of tourniquet duration on Hb and Ht was studied in 9 of the subjects. The results show that Hb, Ht, and %retics are stable from 8 am to 4 pm, but that infusion of 500 ml of saline induces an acute decrease in Hb and Ht within one hour (Hb decreased from 15.2+/-0.9 g/dl to 14.5+/-1.0 g/dl, and Ht from 45.6+/-2.8 % to 44.0+/-2.5 %).

The decline in Hb and Ht was maintained during the 7-hour observation period. Ht values of the same samples measured with a hematological analyzer and a centrifuge were not different."

Don't have time to look through this thoroughly. I know 2 things.

1. You talking about what could have happened isn't proof of anything. Pacquiao could have been taking PED's and IV's too. There is no reason to discuss this.

2. I see you mentioning some hours above. Unless it's regarding 24 hours later, it serves you no purpose.

Simple.

[Spoon23]

NSAC, NOT ME, SAID THAT USADA CANNOT APPROVE TUE'S IN NEVADA. RIGHT?

NSAC, NOT ME, SAID THAT USADA NEEDS TO STOP APPROVING TUE'S IN NEVADA. RIGHT?

LOGICALLY, IF USADA NO LONGER CAN, THEN WHO CAN? OH YES, NSAC SAID SEND REQUESTS TO THEM.

Even if a TUE is not directly related to NSAC rules, they still need to get the approval by NSAC for a TUE. Again, they are the sole authority for approving TUEs in Nevada. Did I say this? NO!!! NSAC said this!


AS stated, they are currently making it doubly clear that this must be the case going forward. they told this to USADA several times in the past, and they are making it clear so people like Floyd cannot try to find a loophole by updating their rules and regulations.

not hard to understand.


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Man you really making Original zero squirm.. He's bathing in his cold sweat lol The guy has nothing left to offer. Exposed like froid Mayweather lmao He's a good soldier of froid, but one must know when the battle has been lost.

It was a valiant effort in his part, but its really hard to defend a cheat. The trophy belongs to you ADP02.

That was a brillaint massacre! Bravo!

Cheers!

[original zero]

Man you really making Original zero squirm.. He's bathing in his cold sweat lol The guy has nothing left to offer. Exposed like froid Mayweather lmao He's a good soldier of froid, but one must know when the battle has been lost.

It was a valiant effort in his part, but its really hard to defend a cheat. The trophy belongs to you ADP02.

That was a brillaint massacre! Bravo!

Cheers!

hahaha your idea of a brilliant massacre is post a bunch of false information in capital letters?

well that sums you up quite nicely . . .

[Spoon23]

Well then, I presented you with 2 possible scenarios.
1) Floyd was concerned with the unexpected May 1st test not the expected May 2nd after the fight test. Perhaps they were not sure that they can pass the May 1st test but they could have ~30-36 hours later.
2) They have May 1st as proof that DCO was there to witness an IV. So they can now do another IV hidden and even if tests show concentrations of IV by-products, well, they can say its from May 1st IV.

Only Floyd can tell you exactly the scenarios .....



This study showed that all subjects had stable HT levels 8 hours after the 500 ml of saline infused.


"..... 500 ml of saline were infused around 8 am and Hb, Ht, and %retics were measured before and every hour thereafter until 7 hours after infusion. In addition Ht was measured on a hematological analyzer as well as with a centrifuge. In a separate experiment the effect of tourniquet duration on Hb and Ht was studied in 9 of the subjects. The results show that Hb, Ht, and %retics are stable from 8 am to 4 pm, but that infusion of 500 ml of saline induces an acute decrease in Hb and Ht within one hour (Hb decreased from 15.2+/-0.9 g/dl to 14.5+/-1.0 g/dl, and Ht from 45.6+/-2.8 % to 44.0+/-2.5 %).

The decline in Hb and Ht was maintained during the 7-hour observation period. Ht values of the same samples measured with a hematological analyzer and a centrifuge were not different."

Dang! The proof gets better and better..

Nice find ADP02. Totally debunks the 2hour potency of saline masking properties.

[Spoon23]

hahaha your idea of a brilliant massacre is post a bunch of false information in capital letters?

well that sums you up quite nicely . . .

Lol your self ownage is well documented here.

Your fabrication of the truth has been flushed out of you.

It's over.

[original zero]

Dang! The proof gets better and better..

Nice find ADP02. Totally debunks the 2hour potency of saline masking properties.

but they CIR tested floyd.

so what would the saline be masking?

[Rath]

but they CIR tested floyd.

so what would the saline be masking?

do you agree that floyd finished all 750 ml of solution in just 15 minutes?

[original zero]

do you agree that floyd finished all 750 ml of solution in just 15 minutes?

i don't know anybody that thinks that.

and why do you expect people to answer your questions when you refuse to answer the questions you quote?