Originally posted by IMDAZED
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How is Pac still ranked P4P #1 on BS?
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Couldn't care less how Cotto's negotiations are going as no one's trying to claim he's the P4P number one fighter. But, if that match is for a title, then it means little to me.
Pacquiao's request of a catchweight was mildly reasonable- if the belt wasn't on the line. I don't mind CWs to a point, but when a challenger starts asking for aids to win belts, then it's tainted. You want full credit for taking a title and be thought of a the best, then do it on the champs terms. If you can't, for whatever reason, then don't fight in the division. The win against Cotto was brutal and an excellent performance but tainted nonetheless.
Beating numbers 2-5 WHILE THEY ARE 2-5 means plenty. Pac didn't quite manage it for various reasons (refusing one at 147lbs while in good form being one of them). To top it off, the performancees/results against two fighter outside of the division on the spin means a bit too. I don't place Pacquiao lower than number 2 due to the reasons you've given, HeroBrando and won't rubbish Pac's run. I just think he's slipped to number 2 seeing as he isn't top of his division and slipped a bit against two fighters not ranked in his division, coming from lower ones.
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Originally posted by HeroBando View PostCan you blame him for not being too confident? If we got back one year, he was probably a 10-1 underdog to Cotto, you'd have been ridiculed here if you suggested he beats Cotto at any weight. Heck there was a time when people though Juan Diaz would put an end to him.
But to everyone's surprise turns out he can take a welterweight punch. Lots of guys chins failed them before their 7th weightclass.
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Originally posted by Marvellous1 View PostCouldn't care less how Cotto's negotiations are going as no one's trying to claim he's the P4P number one fighter. But, if that match is for a title, then it means little to me.
Pacquiao's request of a catchweight was mildly reasonable- if the belt wasn't on the line. I don't mind CWs to a point, but when a challenger starts asking for aids to win belts, then it's tainted. You want full credit for taking a title and be thought of a the best, then do it on the champs terms. If you can't, for whatever reason, then don't fight in the division. The win against Cotto was brutal and an excellent performance but tainted nonetheless.
Beating numbers 2-5 WHILE THEY ARE 2-5 means plenty. Pac didn't quite manage it for various reasons (refusing one at 147lbs while in good form being one of them). To top it off, the performancees/results against two fighter outside of the division on the spin means a bit too. I don't place Pacquiao lower than number 2 due to the reasons you've given, HeroBrando and won't rubbish Pac's run. I just think he's slipped to number 2 seeing as he isn't top of his division and slipped a bit against two fighters not ranked in his division, coming from lower ones.
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Originally posted by george benton View PostAll i want you to say is "he needed to drain cotto to get an advantage" cause posters on here act like the catchweight had 0 effect on that fight..............
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Originally posted by HeroBando View PostHow about my 3 examples of unreasonable catchweights, surely you agree they're worse than Pac Cotto? How come there's hardly a thread about any of these, where's the outrage?
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostFacts don't equal truth, d*ckhead. Learn the difference between the two. And it's also fact that Shane Mosley hadn't won a fight in nearly three years at welter. That Margarito hadn't won a fight against a ranked contender in nearly three years as well. And it's fact you're using an alt.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostAgreed. Plus, save for Cotto in the last few rounds, I don't remember anyone "running" from Pac. Although you'd have to be a boxing fan to understand these nuances and clearly some people posting here aren't.
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Originally posted by george benton View PostCause the outrage come's from people acting like the catchweight made no difference..Manny refuses to fight Cotto without a catchweight period
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