Pacquiao Denies Steroid Use, Roach Blasts Floyd

[WhoreUs]

oh I know sir

but I counter that with

if it's indeed all water weight like you think then why does he look very similar in all his weigh in pics? look it up as you say.

12 more lbs in 9 months is all hydrating or not cutting?

I have a hard time believing that sir. Not to say I believe Manny is indeed taking PEDs but for anyone to solely dismiss this as Sr's rantings when other people whose opinions I respect and trust have expressed the same questions is being a bit naive

12 lbs. difference in what he weighs in at.

barely any difference in the weight he come in the ring with.

roids help in cutting weight now?

[str8balln]

oh I know sir

but I counter that with

if it's indeed all water weight like you think then why does he look very similar in all his weigh in pics? look it up as you say.

12 more lbs in 9 months is all hydrating or not cutting?

I have a hard time believing that sir. Not to say I believe Manny is indeed taking PEDs but for anyone to solely dismiss this as Sr's rantings when other people whose opinions I respect and trust have expressed the same questions is being a bit naive

this is all considered ranting until schizophrenic mayweather sr gets shut up by a pacquiao drug test.

[DrewWoodside]

Some of the data points are:

1. Other Roach trained fighters/athletes have tested positive for steroids
2. Pac's obvious size increases while maintaining exceedingly lean muscle mass
3. A culture of steroid use around the Wild Card gym
Etc...

less credible and specific has been "have you noticed down disproportionately large Pac's head is?" and "overseas athletes are more prone to PED use because the culture is more permissive".

Do you have the information on other gyms accross the country that shows disproportionate numbers coming out of Wild Card? Also, even if there were other fighters using Roids, how in any way is this legitimate evidence against Pacquiao? Jeff Kent played for the Giants around the time Barry Bonds was juicing and breaking records in walks and homeruns. There were also several juicers in the clubhouse.. Does that mean Jeff Kent did steroids?

[Al Haymon]

i dont get this steroid use causing *********** of the head o.0?

so when you take steroids, it causes your skull to enlarge? are bones affected by steroid use?.

Have you ever noticed how female bodybuilders faces become virilized? The becaome masculine-looking in the face? And when you see so many male bodybuilders, then have that really thick / strong jaw and the very prominent brow?

I don't know much about this, but I have heard and read that it is a side effect off steroid use.

But, yes. I do see all the FBB's faces and heads grow.

[Al Haymon]

Do you have the information on other gyms accross the country that shows disproportionate numbers coming out of Wild Card? Also, even if there were other fighters using Roids, how in any way is this legitimate evidence against Pacquiao? Jeff Kent played for the Giants around the time Barry Bonds was juicing and breaking records in walks and homeruns. There were also several juicers in the clubhouse.. Does that mean Jeff Kent did steroids?

Drew,

At what point did I say that I had 'legitimate evidence"? On the contrary, did i not say that anything I heard was largely circumstantial?

Yes, Drew. Anyone who ever walked near barry bonds is a juicer. If you choose to twist around what i said, have at it.

[Al Haymon]

this is all considered ranting until schizophrenic mayweather sr gets shut up by a pacquiao drug test.

Balln,

Unfortunately, drug tests are often meaningless. A negative test doesn't prove that you don't do steroids. Just that they weren't in your system at the time.

I don't know if you have ever smoked weed. But you would make sure it's not in your system when you go to take the drug test for that big job.

Tu sabes?

[str8balln]

my point is test the **** outta that fcker pacquiao first then make accusations.

[Al Haymon]

steroids are hormones that cause masculinity in females because of the testosterone included in it. females, obviously dont have these hormones, thats why when they take it, it causes masculinity in their physique. it doesnt explain ur point that it enlarges the head of a man.

again ive never heard this from any medical standpoint. if there's no backed up facts and all is based from heresay and images and points of view of people uneducated with medications... then there's no point in giving out opinions that are not backed up.

Go back and read my post if you are confused.

[rao007]

Mak,

No. calm down. You are acting like I said the guy does roids. I said that i have heard those rumours for awhile. Jeff M said that among the boxing community, there has been a lot of chatter.

This is not the only board that I frequent, and I had seen this discussion before.

Yeah, maybe it has been a year or so. But he wasn't really in the public consciousness before. right? But there was a Pacquiao steroids thread on nsb that is over 2 years old.

If a guy is hitting 33 home runs a year and he is on the juice, he can fly under the radar. as soon as he hits 60, the questions will arise. That's how it works. Success draws scrutiny.



You know what entertains me? That so few are saying "well, let's objectively examine the issue". Instead people fall to " he is an ugly crackhead. He looks like the Predator". That's mature.

You're pretty much using hypotheticals. So why not discuss it for what it is. Stop beating around the bush. Honestly.

Also, Pacquiao appears to have a big head. Dehydrate and his head is the same size it has always been.

You talk about culture of steroids in the Wildcard, etc, etc--yet, you have not given a single credidble piece of evidence to suggest Roach is in cahoots with his fighters to take steroids--Of course, behind closed doors. Okay. You name a girl fighter and James Toney. Both questionable, one based on word of mouth and Toney who cites injuries for the use. Please cite more fighters. Or is this a slippery slope where you predicate the implied steroid use because of the "culture".

[str8balln]

Go back and read my post if you are confused.

not confused. where's ur post at?