Ali vs. Louis- Tale Of The Tape (Comparisons)

[BKM-]

No way Ali would beat Louis. I even heard some idiots claim He would KO Louis? hahahahaha

[butterfly1964]

No way Ali would beat Louis. I even heard some idiots claim He would KO Louis? hahahahaha

ok then, explain to me how louis would beat ali.

[BKM-]

ok then, explain to me how louis would beat ali.

Same as Frazier did really. Only Louis was much better in every way. He was a better combo puncher, perhaps power punchers, he was pretty fast on his feet. He would put a lot of pressure on Ali, attacking him throughout the whole fight. He would win a UD against Ali, but he wouldn't KO him. He might've knocked him down a few times but i dont think any fighter could ever KO Ali.

So Louis UD 15 or 12.

[butterfly1964]

Same as Frazier did really. Only Louis was much better in every way. He was a better combo puncher, perhaps power punchers, he was pretty fast on his feet. He would put a lot of pressure on Ali, attacking him throughout the whole fight. He would win a UD against Ali, but he wouldn't KO him. He might've knocked him down a few times but i dont think any fighter could ever KO Ali.

So Louis UD 15 or 12.

number one the ali that fought frazier was slower than prime ali. number two, louis was not fast on his feet. if ali sensed he was being cornered, he would move out of harms way in a flash. i think frazier is much faster on his feet, stronger, and hits harder than louis. like i said before, louis had trouble with fighters who used the same style ali used. watch how billy conn outclassed louis twice before being knocked out. watch how jersey joe walcott made louis look ****** the first fight, but was robbed, and how he was beating louis in the second fight up until walcott's demise in the 11th. yes louis still knocked them out, but they were all small guys, and none of them were as strong, big, or fast as ali. no way louis could FLOOR muhammad, much less knock him out. ali's head would move out of the way of louis' power punches. he doesn't stand still like abe simon or max baer and let louis hit him. his fighting style is built on defense. louis would get frustrated and ko'd or stopped, probably stopped in 6 or 7. this is a mismatch at it's finest.

[machotime]

number one the ali that fought frazier was slower than prime ali. number two, louis was not fast on his feet. if ali sensed he was being cornered, he would move out of harms way in a flash. i think frazier is much faster on his feet, stronger, and hits harder than louis. like i said before, louis had trouble with fighters who used the same style ali used. watch how billy conn outclassed louis twice before being knocked out. watch how jersey joe walcott made louis look ****** the first fight, but was robbed, and how he was beating louis in the second fight up until walcott's demise in the 11th. yes louis still knocked them out, but they were all small guys, and none of them were as strong, big, or fast as ali. no way louis could FLOOR muhammad, much less knock him out. ali's head would move out of the way of louis' power punches. he doesn't stand still like abe simon or max baer and let louis hit him. his fighting style is built on defense. louis would get frustrated and ko'd or stopped, probably stopped in 6 or 7. this is a mismatch at it's finest.

I would have to agree somewhat. I like louis' style better, but louis would miss ALi alot. Louis would be countered all night. I could see louis landing some bombs but I see Ali taking a decision or late round stoppage maybe 13 or 14.

[butterfly1964]

Oh my god shut up Butterfly.

"Foreman would literally kill the bums Louis fought in the first round".

FACT - Louis' resume is better than Foreman's.

your twisting my words. i said everybody louis knocked out in the first round, foreman would kill, i didn't say foreman would kill in the first round everybody louis ko'd.

[BKM-]

number one the ali that fought frazier was slower than prime ali

Don't make excuses. This Ali was actually better than a few years back IMO. Young Clay could never ever win against Foreman.

number two, louis was not fast on his feet. if ali sensed he was being cornered, he would move out of harms way in a flash.

He was definitely fast on his feet, if not, how could he always land his punches? Look at Tyson, he landed his punches against bigger guys because he had fast feet. You should watch more fights of Louis.

i think frazier is much faster on his feet, stronger, and hits harder than louis. like i said before, louis had trouble with fighters who used the same style ali used. watch how billy conn outclassed louis twice before being knocked out. watch how jersey joe walcott made louis look ****** the first fight, but was robbed, and how he was beating louis in the second fight up until walcott's demise in the 11th. yes louis still knocked them out,

You THINK? Like i said before he was better than Frazier in every way. Only thing Frazier could come close with with power was his left hook, but Louis had KO power in both hands.
And Walcott, Louis dominated the fight. I say watch it again.

but they were all small guys, and none of them were as strong, big, or fast as ali

Bigger or not, styles make fights. Louis showed he could still crush a boxer much faster than him. It really doesn't matter if a fighter would dominate Louis in the first couple of rounds because his punches were gonna get you sooner or later.

no way louis could FLOOR muhammad, much less knock him out. ali's head would move out of the way of louis' power punches. he doesn't stand still like abe simon or max baer and let louis hit him. his fighting style is built on defense.

Ali has been knocked down wich means he's not GOD. Every fighter can get caught with a big punch. Joe's punches were accurate, powerfull and fast. I mean really fast, that's what you need to hit Ali. I never said he WOULD knock Ali down because you know, thats a rare occation, but i felt that was what you were saying.

louis would get frustrated and ko'd or stopped, probably stopped in 6 or 7. this is a mismatch at it's finest.

Nope. That would never happen. Ali is not a KO puncher and Louis has a granite chin. Ali wasn't known for knocking guys out, so what makes you think he would KO Joe Louis.

[butterfly1964]

Don't make excuses. This Ali was actually better than a few years back IMO. Young Clay could never ever win against Foreman.



He was definitely fast on his feet, if not, how could he always land his punches? Look at Tyson, he landed his punches against bigger guys because he had fast feet. You should watch more fights of Louis.



You THINK? Like i said before he was better than Frazier in every way. Only thing Frazier could come close with with power was his left hook, but Louis had KO power in both hands.
And Walcott, Louis dominated the fight. I say watch it again.



Bigger or not, styles make fights. Louis showed he could still crush a boxer much faster than him. It really doesn't matter if a fighter would dominate Louis in the first couple of rounds because his punches were gonna get you sooner or later.



Ali has been knocked down wich means he's not GOD. Every fighter can get caught with a big punch. Joe's punches were accurate, powerfull and fast. I mean really fast, that's what you need to hit Ali. I never said he WOULD knock Ali down because you know, thats a rare occation, but i felt that was what you were saying.



Nope. That would never happen. Ali is not a KO puncher and Louis has a granite chin. Ali wasn't known for knocking guys out, so what makes you think he would KO Joe Louis.

how in the world was ali better in '71 when he was slow as hell? be quiet i know much more about muhammad ali than you do.

louis was slow-moving. yeah, he looked fast against abe simon and buddy baer, cause they were slow-moving bums themselves.

yeah, right walcott had louis dazed and confused the first time and was robbed, you watch the fight again.

of course louis could crush a boxer faster than him, if they weighed 170 like billy conn, and he weighed like 200. again, the only reason why louis beat those guys is because they were small, but ali is big, and has more speed. ali is close to 213 in his prime and louis is about 200. no wy he crushes ali who is bigger, stronger, and faster than louis. louis did his damage on the inside. ia ali an in-fighter? no, he's always on the backfoot, and he never fights inside, so how would louis hurt him?

louis' punches are not fast enough to hit prime ali enough to hurt him. louis has a weak chin and ali has underrated power. ali in his prime almost always ended the fight before the 15th round ended, so he definetely could stop louis.

you're fighting a losing battle here. ali was never floored in his prime, and we are talking about primes, not early or late in their careers. ali has every tool to beat louis, in fact prime ali has enough tools to beat everybody, period. am i'm not saying this cause i'm a crazy ali fan, because i backed up why i think ali could beat any version of every fighter when he was in his prime. it's just that some of you don't listen to reason. just cause you don't like ali cause he talked too much or whatever, doesn't mean he wasn't good, you people need to stop judging by your heart and go by the facts. ali has proved to the world he's the greatest, most people call him the greatest, he's beat the greatest competition, so he is the greatest. get that through your heads.

[BKM-]

You know, i don't know if im gonna post more and more because nothing i say will convince your mind. You're blinded by love.

how in the world was ali better in '71 when he was slow as hell? be quiet i know much more about muhammad ali than you do.

louis was slow-moving. yeah, he looked fast against abe simon and buddy baer, cause they were slow-moving bums themselves.

yeah, right walcott had louis dazed and confused the first time and was robbed, you watch the fight again.

How come its allright for you guys to say Ali's losses were because he wasn't in his prime is ok even though a lot of fighters have had the same thing. Tyson annyone? i remember you saying he had a short prime. If that's true then Ali wasn't ''great'' for a long time either.

Walcott did NOT beat Louis. He had his moments in the fight but that doesn't mean he won. Louis was throwing combo's the whole fight and clearly got the best of him. I might wanna point out that Norton might have been robbed twice by Ali huh.

of course louis could crush a boxer faster than him, if they weighed 170 like billy conn, and he weighed like 200. again, the only reason why louis beat those guys is because they were small

Stanley Poreda 208
Biff Bennett 200
Gene Stanton 215
Primo Carnera 260? (This guy was huge and still got KO'd)
King Levinsky 197?
Max Baer 210
Paolino Uzcudun 207
Charley Retzlaff 198?
Jack Sharkey 197?
Jorge Brescia 205?
Eddie Simms 195
Steve Ketchel 216
Natie Brown 199?
Jim Braddock 197
Tommy Farr 204?
Harry Thomas 196
Jack Roper 204?
Tony Galento 233?(Big guy crushed in 4 rounds)
Arturo Godoy 202
Abe Simon 254?
Tony Musto 199?
Buddy Baer 237?(250 in the rematch)
Lou Nova 202?
Abe Simon 255?

Tired of getting owned? Still think Joe crushed little guys? You know more about Ali than me but i sure as hell know more about than Louis than you.

And your other statements, check my earlier post. I explained why Joe would hurt Ali.

you're fighting a losing battle here. ali was never floored in his prime, and we are talking about primes, not early or late in their careers. ali has every tool to beat louis, in fact prime ali has enough tools to beat everybody, period. am i'm not saying this cause i'm a crazy ali fan, because i backed up why i think ali could beat any version of every fighter when he was in his prime. it's just that some of you don't listen to reason. just cause you don't like ali cause he talked too much or whatever, doesn't mean he wasn't good, you people need to stop judging by your heart and go by the facts. ali has proved to the world he's the greatest, most people call him the greatest, he's beat the greatest competition, so he is the greatest. get that through your heads.

Take it easy buddy. Im not insulting Ali, i ust don't see him beating Louis. I love Ali but too so don't think im putting him down for whatever reason. We're just discussing.

[Brassangel]

SOME BUTTERFLY CLASSICS...

"He proved to the world that he's the greatest..."

This is because he told everybody this part after beating a 35+ Sonny Liston.

"Many people call him the greatest..."

That's because he told everybody to call him this.

"He beat the greatest competition..."

He beat a handful of big names, but the remainder of his resume is just as shabby as any other champion in question.

"I know more about Muhammad Ali than you do..."

This doesn't make you the resident authority on the man; especially since there are people here who have been studying boxing since you were born.

I'm not ragging on you butterfly, but these were obviously comments made from your heart instead of from facts, so stop telling everybody else to do the opposite. It's clear that there are many flaws on both sides of this platter.

My prediction in short: Louis wins first fight. It's the only chance he's got. Ali wins fights two and three easily. He probably barely loses the first, and only because of some late round shenanigans. Or possibly because Louis gets incredible gift decisions (vs. Walcott). Ali's victories are probably clear, cut, and dry. Louis had a great mind for boxing, but even he couldn't disrupt the Master of Disruption.