Ali vs. Louis- Tale Of The Tape (Comparisons)

[Dempsey1238]

I was watching Ali, Brains Skill and Guts the other day.

In Ali's early runing, the guy was hit, and I mean often, he was even knockdown vs Sonny Banks, among other fighters. Now this was WAY before Ali peak. I think he started proving himself by the time of the Jones bout. Or impove. that is.

Louis was slow on foot, but he was top 2 or 3 with the fastest set of hands EVER. Lee Ramage, Schmling 2, Paycheck, 2 Ton Toney, he just had a fast set of hands, maybe I dare say faster than Ali??? Maybe, if not, Louis may have been a hair behind in that regard.

Now Ali was faster on foot, I give you guys that. Dempsey also had a fast set of hands too. And he may be on level of Ali, or a hair behind. But unlike Louis, Dempsey was also fast on his feet. Louis I belive could beat Ali, because the abilty to slip or a LONG forgoten art, block the jab with the glove, may cause Ali trouble, and unlike Fraizer, will not wear out when they get in the later rounds, (And louis being a harder target than Frazer imo) Or unlike Foreman will not go crazy and waste his punchs like he did, and got gas about the 5th round or so.
Louis will still hurt in round 13 or 14.

I will not relly bet on this fight, as it could go the other way with Ali's speed on foot, and the abilty to keep foes on the outside. Even though this will be a bout of styles, the other guy must make the other fight HIS fight, for the winner imo.

I make it 50 50.

[butterfly1964]

no way louis would win. billy conn was beating louis on points in both fights. so was watcott. they were fast-moving. ali moves faster than both of them. only conn and watcott were ko'd by louis is why they lost. but the only reason they were stopped is because they were small, but ali is big, plus he has a strong chin. so ali would either beat louis on points, no doubt, or ko him in the mid or late rounds.

[Dempsey1238]

Louis was ahead in the rematch leading to round 8.

I had the fight like 7-1 or something like that in Conn 2.

Dont forget Louis went down to 199 in weight, to give the 170 pounder a better shot. Louis drain himself in taking off the weight.

[butterfly1964]

Louis was ahead in the rematch leading to round 8.

I had the fight like 7-1 or something like that in Conn 2.

Dont forget Louis went down to 199 in weight, to give the 170 pounder a better shot. Louis drain himself in taking off the weight.

what do you mean he was drained? he dropped weight to give himself a chance! why would anybody give the opponent a better chance, it makes no sense. louis lost weight to make himself faster to give himself a better chance. just like he put on weight to make himself stronger when fighting big guys like abe simon and buddy baer.

[Dempsey1238]

He drop weight in fight 1, because Conn weight in the 170's. He felt it was unfair, and he did not want it to look to bad.

As it turn out it almost cost him the title. Louis did not have the enegy, to catch up to Conn, as Conn tee off on him, and even stagger him round after round.

After the 12 round, Conn try to slug it with Louis, to knock him out, and it was a mistake. Louis put togetor a combin and ended it in round 13.

Fight 2, was one sided.

Like I said, Louis drain himself down to weight to try to be as close to Conn as can be. Outside the ring, Louis and Conn were freinds, So I think that played some part in him trying to lose weight for Conn. Louis lost 2 much weight for that fight.

[butterfly1964]

He drop weight in fight 1, because Conn weight in the 170's. He felt it was unfair, and he did not want it to look to bad.

As it turn out it almost cost him the title. Louis did not have the enegy, to catch up to Conn, as Conn tee off on him, and even stagger him round after round.

After the 12 round, Conn try to slug it with Louis, to knock him out, and it was a mistake. Louis put togetor a combin and ended it in round 13.

Fight 2, was one sided.

Like I said, Louis drain himself down to weight to try to be as close to Conn as can be. Outside the ring, Louis and Conn were freinds, So I think that played some part in him trying to lose weight for Conn. Louis lost 2 much weight for that fight.

man, i don't care if conn was his brother, no way would louis jepordize his title, and probably his career like that. he did it to make himself faster.

[Dempsey1238]

I have a Louis bio, and Conn himself said Louis lost weight, to make it MORE even weight wise.

[butterfly1964]

I have a Louis bio, and Conn himself said Louis lost weight, to make it MORE even weight wise.

maybe that's what he thought.

[Dempsey1238]

the thing is Louis was way underweight for that fight, he dyhydrated him self to try to go down to Conn's weight. Louis lost speed, and enegry going into the fight.

Louis still won,

Take Tommy Farr, he had a style just like Ali's, But Louis was not in any trouble in loseing his crown, and sail to a easy points victory in 15 rounds.

With Conn, who weight in the 170's(The promotos, LIE about Conn making it to the 180's, they fear if they told the true weight, it will scare of ticket holders.)

Louis feeling it will be unfair lost more weight than he should have.

IT had the fight more fair, as Louis was tired and drain for most of the 12 rounds, that he got pummle in. But he landed that combo in round 13 to retain his title.
I dont know WHY Louis would do that, but he did. Even Blackburn gave Louis a earfill when he found out shortly before the fight was about to start.

[butterfly1964]

the thing is Louis was way underweight for that fight, he dyhydrated him self to try to go down to Conn's weight. Louis lost speed, and enegry going into the fight.

Louis still won,

Take Tommy Farr, he had a style just like Ali's, But Louis was not in any trouble in loseing his crown, and sail to a easy points victory in 15 rounds.

With Conn, who weight in the 170's(The promotos, LIE about Conn making it to the 180's, they fear if they told the true weight, it will scare of ticket holders.)

Louis feeling it will be unfair lost more weight than he should have.

IT had the fight more fair, as Louis was tired and drain for most of the 12 rounds, that he got pummle in. But he landed that combo in round 13 to retain his title.
I dont know WHY Louis would do that, but he did. Even Blackburn gave Louis a earfill when he found out shortly before the fight was about to start.

wow, i'm impressed. guess i was wrong.