Froch Confident With Power, Dirrell Banks on Boxing

[Shadows]

One thing I find very interesting that I think is worth mentioning.

Despite the fact that Froch is world champ, more experienced and fighting at home he is still only a narrow favorite at the sportsbook.

In the time the betting line has been open it has not moved one inch in Froch's favor.

This tells me 2 things.

1) The people that handicap fights for a living have little confidence in Froch and actually favor Dirrell to win. Froch is installed as a favorite because he is at home and quite simply should attract more wagers (cause its legal everywhere for Brits) whereas Dirrell is relatively unknown and wont attract the attention of the American Betting public.

2) Since it has not moved it implies that the people who support Froch are not willing to put their money where their mouths are. If all the things people believe about Froch are true, ie superhuman chin, tireless aggression, uncanny boxing angles etc etc then it should be a free for all to get to the bookie to place their bets on Carl.


Instead it seemd that the informed fas betting on Dirrell have kept the line at a stalemate for 4 weeks as the Froch fans try to decide if they really believe the things they are saying.

Really? Where are you getting these numbers?

The last I heard Froch was favored to win the whole thing, but that was from William Hill.

[Dynamite Kid]

One thing I find very interesting that I think is worth mentioning.

Despite the fact that Froch is world champ, more experienced and fighting at home he is still only a narrow favorite at the sportsbook.

In the time the betting line has been open it has not moved one inch in Froch's favor.

This tells me 2 things.

1) The people that handicap fights for a living have little confidence in Froch and actually favor Dirrell to win. Froch is installed as a favorite because he is at home and quite simply should attract more wagers (cause its legal everywhere for Brits) whereas Dirrell is relatively unknown and wont attract the attention of the American Betting public.

2) Since it has not moved it implies that the people who support Froch are not willing to put their money where their mouths are. If all the things people believe about Froch are true, ie superhuman chin, tireless aggression, uncanny boxing angles etc etc then it should be a free for all to get to the bookie to place their bets on Carl.


Instead it seemd that the informed fas betting on Dirrell have kept the line at a stalemate for 4 weeks as the Froch fans try to decide if they really believe the things they are saying.

Froch has feeble skills but he has still beaten Taylor, Pascal, so you gotta understand that as crude as he is he does do somethings right.

Normally i like prospects to have had a balls to the wall fight to ensure that they can cope if the fight materialize into that kind fight, but Froch is that poor technically i can understand why people would pick Dirrell and not favour Froch too heavily even if they are picking him, Brits are biased as **** anyway, you know this, PS i am a Brit but not a biased one.

My girlfriend was actually laughing at Froch when he was trying to jab to Taylor's stomach.

[Dave Rado]

If all the things people believe about Froch are true, ie superhuman chin, tireless aggression, uncanny boxing angles etc etc

Don't know what you've been reading - I've never seen anyone make those claims. Good chin, yes, although it's more a case of him turning his face at the last moment in order to reduce the impact of the punches that hit him, rather than a strong chin as such. But superhuman? Really?

Good stamina, definitely, and he fights with real intensity but "tireless aggression" is a bit OTT, and I've never seen anyone make that claim.

Uncanny boxing angles? He punches from awkward angles, but uncanny? Has anyone ever really claimed that?

[Hitman932]

Really? Where are you getting these numbers?

The last I heard Froch was favored to win the whole thing, but that was from William Hill.

I use sports********.com but I checked the numbers against multiple bookies at oddschecker. com.

I have not seen a single one where Froch is favored. Normally the payouts look like this give or take:

To win Super Six:
Kessler +250
Froch +350
Abraham +350
Taylor +700
WArd and Dirrell +1000

HOwever it the head to head matchup by book has Froch -150 against Dirrell +125 in their head to head matchup. That is how the betting opened, and that is where it has remained.

[Hitman932]

Don't know what you've been reading - I've never seen anyone make those claims. Good chin, yes, although it's more a case of him turning his face at the last moment in order to reduce the impact of the punches that hit him, rather than a strong chin as such. But superhuman? Really?

Good stamina, definitely, and he fights with real intensity but "tireless aggression" is a bit OTT, and I've never seen anyone make that claim.

Uncanny boxing angles? He punches from awkward angles, but uncanny? Has anyone ever really claimed that?

If I really wanted to go back and sift through all the over the top posts by biased Froch fans on this matchup i'd have no trouble drumming up even more outrageous statements than those listed above.

You might be right though, maybe nobody in NSB ever said any of these things. It's probably Carl saying them about himself that I remember.

[Dynamite Kid]

Taylor has a big punch when it lands cleanly. Didn't you see the first Pavlik fight? And Dirrell is hardly a huge puncher.


Froch has a lot more boxing skills than you give him credit for. He's a clever counter-puncher, and punches from awkward angles. His timing was out in the first few rounds against Taylor - which he put down to nerves, due to it being his first big fight outside the UK; but in the second half of the Pascal fight and the last five rounds of the Taylor fight, his timing was very good, his judgement of distance and space was excellent, and he dominated with his jab. His combinations were economical and accurate. In the combination that ended the fight, every single punch was on target.

He reaches with punches, he throws uppercuts from the outside that leaves him wide open. My girlfriend was actually laughing at his feeble jab to the body because he was reaching with it, he was apprehensive about throwing it, its whats known as trying to land your punch whilst trying to pull out at the same time.

I swear Froch is an embarrassment to British coaches, he is that poor technically. You are the same guy who tried to tell me Junior Witter was/is a fluid fighter.

It was nothing to do with nerves, Froch would say that because he was getting owned, but that facts are these.........he could not do anything with Taylor whilst he was active, it was his workrate that won both those fights, that and the opponents workrate dropping off. Look at the punch stats from the Taylor fight and look at when Froch started to come on.

The only good thing Froch did against Taylor was, he finished him superbly and hardly missed a punch.


Learn something about the Sport before you start calling Witter a fluid fighter and Froch a a clever counter-puncher, moron

[Shadows]

I use sports********.com but I checked the numbers against multiple bookies at oddschecker. com.

I have not seen a single one where Froch is favored. Normally the payouts look like this give or take:

To win Super Six:
Kessler +250
Froch +350
Abraham +350
Taylor +700
WArd and Dirrell +1000

HOwever it the head to head matchup by book has Froch -150 against Dirrell +125 in their head to head matchup. That is how the betting opened, and that is where it has remained.

This is from William Hill, it's British. This is favorite to win it outright:

Froch +200
Kessler +225
Abraham +350
Taylor +550
Ward +1000
Dirrell +1400

For Froch-Dirrell it's Froch -188, Dirrell +138.

[Hitman932]

. This is favorite to win it outright:This is from William Hill, it's British

Froch +200
Kessler +225
Abraham +350
Taylor +550
Ward +1000
Dirrell +1400

For Froch-Dirrell it's Froch -188, Dirrell +138.

Well I cant tell if you are trying to prove my point or make a counterpoint.

How can Froch be favorite to win it all while Dirrell is 14-1 and yet Froch only be a 1.8-1 favorite over him.

( those are the most extreme odds in favor of Froch, by book is still -150)

[Shadows]

Well I cant tell if you are trying to prove my point or make a counterpoint.

How can Froch be favorite to win it all while Dirrell is 14-1 and yet Froch only be a 1.8-1 favorite over him.

( those are the most extreme odds in favor of Froch, by book is still -150)

I wasn't trying to do either man.

I was just showing you the info I saw.

[MANGLER]

Froch should focus more on volume than str8 up power. Dirrell won't sit there and be timed for a big shot. Froch gotta outwork him.