Bernard Hopkins verbally destroys mma, calls it gay ****!

[GoldenBoy23]

I can't wait to see how well Elite XC does on CBS.............

EXC had no idea what they were doing. That idiot Gary Shaw and the rest of them put everything on Kimbo. Scott Coker has been putting on events for over a decade and knows what hes doing, and Strikeforce has been doing very well for itself so it'll do great on CBS

[them_apples]

I understand your reasoning, however two closed-minded individuals don't make a right. Idiots on both sides of the aisle when it comes to Boxing vs. MMA (which it shouldn't be, they can both co-exist and share many fans).

And by your last comment about athleticism you obviously have never seen George St. Pierre fight or many other top level MMA fighters. And the work ethic in both sports is the same for the top fighters. They both work equally hard at their profession, this is a fact.

Yes i have, i'm french Canadian myself you think i haven't heard about GSP?

no he is not anywhere near the level of Pacquiao or FMJ. It's a hell of a lot easier to climb the ranks of MMA than it is in boxing.

GSP is a strong guy, he lifts a lot of weights, but his stamina is dip **** compared to a guy like Pacquiao.

[TheNegation]

GSP is a strong guy, he lifts a lot of weights, but his stamina is dip **** compared to a guy like Pacquiao.

That's ridiculous.

Grappling and Wrestling takes another level of conditioning. I'd bet any amount of money in the world that GSP could outwork Pacquiao in terms of conditioning.

Yet another moniker that lifting weights= poor cardio, slow and bulky. Dumbest **** ever.

Look at NFL players. They all lift weights

[them_apples]

That's ridiculous.

Grappling and Wrestling takes another level of conditioning. I'd bet any amount of money in the world that GSP could outwork Pacquiao in terms of conditioning.

Yet another moniker that lifting weights= poor cardio, slow and bulky. Dumbest **** ever.

Look at NFL players. They all lift weights

out work him?

GSP could never do 45 rounds in one day after running 13km, (3 of those up hill)

that is rediculous.

Yes weight do slow you down, it's only MMa fighters that tell you it doesn't (because they like getting big)

I know this first hand and realized it was BS once I packed on about 7 lbs of muscle, even after leaning down I was getting tired quicker and was slower.

This i KNOW i'm right about. If you naturally grow in size, then that's fine, but putting on artificial muscle will slow you down and make you tired.



an NFL player couldn't do 45 rounds either.

Why is it that MMA fighters are always gasping for breath?

EDIT: even training with explosive weights will make you tired if you go up in weight.

[TheNegation]

out work him?

GSP could never do 45 rounds in one day after running 13km, (3 of those up hill)

I said in terms of conditioning, not sparring. Plus with how much St. Pierre does in one day, the workload is probably even.

Yes weight do slow you down, it's only MMa fighters that tell you it doesn't (because they like getting big)

Another ******ed statement. Through and Through.

This guy I know lifts weights as part of Joe Defranco's training programs

Yeah he's so ****ing slow

Or what about Brian Witherspoon


Man. Like Molasses moving downhill I tell ya.

Where do you get the idea that MMA fighter like adding size and being big? Just something you tell yourself to cope with the fact that your probably a scrawny ecto?

I know this first hand and realized it was BS once I packed on about 7 lbs of muscle, even after leaning down I was getting tired quicker and was slower.

Because you probably didn't lift properly or your training wasn't geared in the right direction.

This i KNOW i'm right about. If you naturally grow in size, then that's fine, but putting on artificial muscle will slow you down and make you tired.

Well I got news for you. You are wrong. What the **** is this "artificial muscle" something else you made up?

an NFL player couldn't do 45 rounds either.

I never said they could. But saying weights slow you down when NFL Football Players are very quick, strong and agile shows your ignorance.

Why is it that MMA fighters are always gasping for breath?

Because, as I said earlier, Grappling, Wrestling and MMA in general takes another level of conditioning and require you to be in greater shape.

I didn't think much of it until I got into BJJ and Wrestling. It requires much more than just running for distance and doing all Calisthenics. High school wreslters do a lot of weight training. Especially with Core lifts like Squats and Deadlifts.

EDIT: even training with explosive weights will make you tired if you go up in weight.

Tell that to Usain Bolt who does Squats with Heavy Weights and other weighted exercises as part of his training regimen.

My ass weights make you slow.

[them_apples]

I said in terms of conditioning, not sparring. Plus with how much St. Pierre does in one day, the workload is probably even.




Another ******ed statement. Through and Through.

This guy I know lifts weights as part of Joe Defranco's training programs

Yeah he's so ****ing slow

Or what about Brian Witherspoon


Man. Like Molasses moving downhill I tell ya.

Where do you get the idea that MMA fighter like adding size and being big? Just something you tell yourself to cope with the fact that your probably a scrawny ecto?



Because you probably didn't lift properly or your training wasn't geared in the right direction.



Well I got news for you. You are wrong. What the **** is this "artificial muscle" something else you made up?



I never said they could. But saying weights slow you down when NFL Football Players are very quick, strong and agile shows your ignorance.



Because, as I said earlier, Grappling, Wrestling and MMA in general takes another level of conditioning and require you to be in greater shape.

I didn't think much of it until I got into BJJ and Wrestling. It requires much more than just running for distance and doing all Calisthenics. High school wreslters do a lot of weight training. Especially with Core lifts like Squats and Deadlifts.





Tell that to Usain Bolt who does Squats with Heavy Weights and other weighted exercises as part of his training regimen.

My ass weights make you slow.

your examples are terrible. A sprinter's stamina is terrible. In the NFL the guys that run a lot are actually quite a bit smaller than those huge bulky dudes you are talking about.

MMa fighters ARE about being big, WTF since when is a lightweight 150+ lbs on fight night

you are probably a bulky ass **** who had girl problems and would hate to stop lifting weights because that was his only way out to make up for his terrible looks.

I guarantee i'm athletically superior to you in every department if you want to start a verbal abuse war. How much do you run a day?

I don't like having to resort to "flaming" but when you call me a "scrawny ecto" I have to retaliate.

If you don't like me bashing MMa then just keep responding like you always do. I knew I'd dug to deep when you had to go all 4 year old on me.

If you knew anything about boxing you would know in training a "round" refers to 3 minutes (usually). 45 rounds consists of heavybag, sparring, skipping, speed bag, pads...etc


compared to wrestling in high school, Boxing is a hell of a lot harder. the difference is huge. In fact, ESPN had boxing rated the hardest and most physically demanding sport. Even above rowing.

[TheNegation]

your examples are terrible. A sprinter's stamina is terrible. In the NFL the guys that run a lot are actually quite a bit smaller than those huge bulky dudes you are talking about.

But I thought you said lifting weights makes you slow? Clearly not in Usain bolts case.

MMa fighters ARE about being big, WTF since when is a lightweight 150+ lbs on fight night

You must not know what the weight classes are. From how you are talking, you must think all MMA fighters are bodybuilders.

They aren't big just to be big, size and strength has more relevance in MMA because unlike in boxing, it's actually used.

you are probably a bulky ass **** who had girl problems and would hate to stop lifting weights because that was his only way out to make up for his terrible looks.

Terrible looks? Right. I'm just so awful looking I have to lift weights to make up for it. Do you have any other cliches and rhetorics you'd like to hurl out?

I guarantee i'm athletically superior to you in every department if you want to start a verbal abuse war. How much do you run a day?

I knew this was coming. E-Standards right? Go ahead and post your stats they are probably bull**** anyway.

I don't run for distance, so I can't comment on that. I do High Intensity Intervals for my cardio.

I don't like having to resort to "flaming" but when you call me a "scrawny ecto" I have to retaliate.

Of course you do. You do it all the time in MMA related threads hurling out crap that has no truth or merit.

If you don't like me bashing MMa then just keep responding like you always do. I knew I'd dug to deep when you had to go all 4 year old on me.

You've been bashing MMA since before I joined up and you do it without provocation from any MMA fans. Don't insult my intelligence.

If you knew anything about boxing you would know in training a "round" refers to 3 minutes (usually). 45 rounds consists of heavybag, sparring, skipping, speed bag, pads...etc

Okay???

[them_apples]

But I thought you said lifting weights makes you slow? Clearly not in Usain bolts case.



You must not know what the weight classes are. From how you are talking, you must think all MMA fighters are bodybuilders.

They aren't big just to be big, size and strength has more relevance in MMA because unlike in boxing, it's actually used.



Terrible looks? Right. I'm just so awful looking I have to lift weights to make up for it. Do you have any other cliches and rhetorics you'd like to hurl out?




I knew this was coming. E-Standards right? Go ahead and post your stats they are probably bull**** anyway.

I don't run for distance, so I can't comment on that. I do High Intensity Intervals for my cardio.



Of course you do. You do it all the time in MMA related threads hurling out crap that has no truth or merit.



You've been bashing MMA since before I joined up and you do it without provocation from any MMA fans. Don't insult my intelligence.



Okay???

MMA fans have been bashing boxing since I joined here, so it doesn't really matter.

If you think I like flaming people, then you must like doing it more, as you were the first to unload the "cliches and rhetorics"

As far as strength goes, I've seen some pretty lean and strong wrestlers. I can't see bulk having any advantage in the striking game either so please elaborate on why MMa fighters need to pack on 30 pounds.

Football players do so because they are taking huge impacts. They also don't have great stamina, the ones that do are much lighter. A football player sprints then get's a break, rinse, repeat.

I also said bulk slows you down AND drains your stamina...you seem to only take into effect the first one. I guess stamina plays no role in MMA..

oh snap whats this

UFC lightweight (145-155 lbs) The ****? How is that a lightweight?

[TheNegation]

As far as strength goes, I've seen some pretty lean and strong wrestlers. I can't see bulk having any advantage in the striking game either so please elaborate on why MMa fighters need to pack on 30 pounds.

Having a bulky frame doesn't mean you are neccessarily going to be slower than someone who is leaner. Sean Sherk is a brick wall and he has one of the fastest and most explosive double legs in the sport and his hand speed isn't bad either for his frame.

Same with Jerome Le Banner. Very bulky, but a very good K-1 Kickboxers.

I never said that they need to pack on weight or that's what they are all about. But having a size advantage does help because being a little bigger or stronger than your opponent gives you an edge. (See St. Pierre vs. Penn 2)

Football players do so because they are taking huge impacts. They also don't have great stamina, the ones that do are much lighter. A football player sprints then get's a break, rinse, repeat.

I think it's more than just being able to take impact. Of course not all football players train the same way. A Wide Receiver may do more plyometrics or may not do as much heavy lifting as a Linebacker.

I never said anything about stamina. Stamina isn't as much of an issue for a football player because as you said it's only 30 seconds or so of action and then they get a break.

I was just saying that lifting weights doesn't make you slow and I provided examples. In fact nor does added muscle. However adding too much muscle at one time without giving your body a chance to adapt to the added size, then you will suffer drawbacks.

But generalizing makes no sense.

I also said bulk slows you down AND drains your stamina...you seem to only take into effect the first one. I guess stamina plays no role in MMA..

Stamina does play a role in MMA and in fact a very crucial role. Sherk as I said is very bulky but he has some of the best stamina in the sport. Same with GSP he's not exactly bulky but to say his stamina is ****, makes no sense.

oh snap whats this

UFC lightweight (145-155 lbs) The ****? How is that a lightweight?

Don't ask me. I don't make the weight classes up.

I've never had a problem with boxing. I like both sports although I keep up with MMA a little more than the boxing world, but that doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Although I don't enjoy the types of threads created by the like of Mr. President, it's really unnecessary, even though this is a boxing forum.

But it doesn't help when you come in with LOLZ and continue bashing.

No MMA fans in this section ever disturb the rest of the forum.

I think we deserve a break and some consideration

[Spartacus Sully]

Tell that to Usain Bolt who does Squats with Heavy Weights and other weighted exercises as part of his training regimen.

he also probably sprints 100 meters 200 times a day with out any weights at all.

Look at NFL players. They all lift weights

they spend hours running around the field, sprinting up and down the agility ladder, along with there fair share of calisthenics's im sure.

If you ONLY use weights to get stronger you have a very good chance of hitting a point that you wont be able to pass that wouldn't be their if you wernt using weights in terms of speed. though if you wernt using weights it would take you much longer to reach the same speed but since your not using weights you would just continue on instead of plateauing.

a combination of the two are obiviously the best